The BNP exposed

[Wolf]

Gooooood bless Amerrrrrica, my hooome, sweeet hoooome...

[ken124578]

I think alchemi meant that if you wanna live in a country you should adept to their culture and way of life (<= meaning, they might be shooting people for fun in asia, but you don't do that in england)

[Dante]

I think alchemi meant that if you wanna live in a country you should adept to their culture and way of life (<= meaning, they might be shooting people for fun in asia, but you don't do that in england)

But that's monoculturalism! That's bad!

Adapting to all be the same is just... stupid.

[Apollyon]

No, that's precisely the opposite of monoculturalism. Monoculturalism is brought about by the mishmashing of cultures together. If all countries made sure that only their cultures survived in each of their own countries, how could monoculturalism ever exist? Think about it.

[Edric O]

No, that's precisely the opposite of monoculturalism. Monoculturalism is brought about by the mishmashing of cultures together. If all countries made sure that only their cultures survived in each of their own countries, how could monoculturalism ever exist? Think about it.

There would be monoculturalism in each individual country, of course. If only British culture is allowed in Britain, then Britain is a monocultural country.

Besides, how many times do I have to remind you that ALL MODERN CULTURES WERE CREATED BY THE MISHMASHING OF A BUNCH OF OLDER CULTURES TOGETHER?

British culture was created by the mishmashing of Celtic, Roman, Anglo-Saxon and Norman culture. Was that a BAD thing?

[Dante]

No. My point exactly.

There would be monoculturalism in each individual country, of course. If only British culture is allowed in Britain, then Britain is a monocultural country.

Exactly right, thank you.

[Wolf]

People tend to create their own social identity anyway. So, if even a huge amount of people from country X move to country Y, the mixing of these two different cultures will create a new social mindset -- social identity Z -- that is acceptable to both people from X and Y. Everything is changing, everything is moving, and people tend to keep up with them. For example, on a visit to London I went to a pub. On the menu was the usual lunch items. Chicken, sandwiches, fish & chips, but also chicken tikka messala. No one seemed to mind, least of all me, who proceeded to order the chicken tikka.

[Apollyon]

There would be global polyculturalism though, propagated and maintained by adaptation to cultures within geographical locale.

Exactly right, kthx.

[alchemi2]

What i actually meant was i have no problem with people coming and living in Britian, so long as they accept our laws and respect our freedoms instead of abusing them. I have no problem with sikhs wearing turbens so long as they wear crash helmets on moter bikes for example.

nor do i expect them to become practicing members of the church of england but i do expect them to express religous tolerance. I expect them to accept equality for women and i dont expect or accept them to create havoc or preach violence toward any british people regardless of creed or colour.

I think britian has a great cultural mix and want it to stay that way but i dont want to see people coming here then slagging us off or trying to undermine our way of life.

I do expect forigners to learn english if there gonna live here but then if i went to live in spain i would learn spanish.

[Dante]

We may not agree with people's beliefs, but that doesn't mean that they cannot express them. I believe that everyone should have the right to say whatever they wish against whoever they wish, provided they do it via calm, rational debate. Just because someone lives in Britain doesn't mean they have to agree with everything the British do, even our laws. They can speak out all they like against our laws. But they can't break them. ;) 

[nemafakei]

Alch, what would you say to a typical british person "not accepting equality for women"? One who abuses British freedoms? One who is intolerant of, say, Islam?

Would you have such a problem with them.

[Dante]

Personally, yes. But much as I would love my whims to become laws, I think that people should have the right to think and say what they like, provided their actions fall within the law.

I'd try to convince them to change their opinions of course, but if I can't then they're welcome to them.

[alchemi2]

Alch, what would you say to a typical british person "not accepting equality for women"? One who abuses British freedoms? One who is intolerant of, say, Islam?

Would you have such a problem with them.

Yes thats what i said all along!!!  people should be accept  each others rights (within the law) im not in favour of racial purity or religous purity, nor do i agree with BNP policy.

I couldnt careless about individuals beliefs or culture so long as it adapts were needed to work within a countries laws.

While i agree people should be allowed to argue for change be it left or right wing i do not accept that people then automatically have the right to preach violence or terror to get want they want nor should exception to laws be made due to indivual relious or cultural beliefs. offers to treat people differently create tension and lead to disent even in the case of positive discrimination.

[Edric O]

Well, in that case, I have to say I pretty much agree with you.

[nemafakei]

Please see the Public Order Act. Helping organise violence is illegal. No more need be said.