Innocent Palestinians

[leo]

Today 2 Hamas militants killed by shooting a pregnant woman and 4 of her daughters, their ages were 11,9,7 and 2. They were in their car when suddenly the terrorists emerged and started to shoot on it.

[otheymzefedaykin]

I blame too, but it's not an excuse for Israel to destroy Palestinians cities !

F**k Hamas and Sharon ! That's all ! all dys when There are murderers terrorists and a fascist leader, the peace is impossible ! But I hope !

Peace is in Iraelian and Palestinian People's hands, not in their leader's ones !

The peace is in your's maybe leo ! You're a patriotic Israelian, I understand your meanings !

[TMA_1]

I am afraid it is in the leaders hands, because the people put that power into the leaders hands and most like itthere. I blame hamas, as they and other terrorist groups have been the overwhelming agressor. What is israel supposed to do? stop defending themselves?lol

[leo]

God have mercy on their soles.

[Edric O]

The point is that if the people wished, they could stop putting the power in the leaders' hands - or at least they could put the power in the hands of other leaders, who would be better than the bloody killers who lead Israel and the Palestinian Authority today.

TMA, of course that the Israelis should defend themselves. However, they should not kill innocent women and children in the process.

[Wolf]

Well, according to the news, the only people that killed innocent women and children in this instance was Hamas...

[SurlyPIG]

TMA, of course that the Israelis should defend themselves. However, they should not kill innocent women and children in the process.

That's rarely even possible.  Palestinian terrorists are absolute COWARDS.  Only cowards would shoot a pregnant woman and her four kids, and cowards don't make fair retaliation easy.  Don't think that Hamas doesn't know about outside critics like you.  Don't think they aren't aware that dead Palestinian innocents will cause Israel to lose international support and sympathy.  They actively surround themselves with innocent Palestinians.  Did you think that all the men in Hamas just hang out in a few spots by themselves?  Hell no.  They live amongst the most vulnerable, innocent Palestinians because a) when those innocents get killed it motivates more Palestinians to join their cause and b) makes Israel appear in the wrong in the eyes of flakey, bleeding-heart international critics.  Be realistic Edric.  The reason innocent Palestinians are killed by Israeli attacks isn't because Israel wants them dead, on the contrary, it's because Palestinian terrorists want them dead, so they surround themselves with civillians like human shields.

[Edric O]

On the other hand, that's not an excuse for Israel to go ahead and kill as many innocent Palestinians as it wishes.

To make an analogy, the slaughter of innocent Germans in the Dresden firebombing cannot be justified, no matter how evil the Nazis were.

And I sincerely doubt that people who are willing to blow themselves up for a cause can be called "cowards". Evil, yes. Cowards, no.

[Emperor Harkonnen]

I think that the palestinians attack more civilians than Israel. Israel do kill inocent people, but they mean not to. Their intension is to stop the terrorists, and not to kill the inocent people.

THe palestinians on the other hand kill inocent people on purpose.

[otheymzefedaykin]

When Terrorists attacks innocents Israeli citizens, why do they do this ?

"oh ! They are Tsahal lovers ! KIllers etc....."

When Tsahal shave one city, why ?

"Because it's a terrorists city"

These terrorists will search a stupid excuse ! It's a shame !

[leo]

here are some more pics:

Othey how old are you?

[SurlyPIG]

Edric, do you think the IDF wants innocent Palestinians dead?  Do you think they wish innocents as collateral damage?  If you truly believe that I don't know why I'm even trying...

You know, the way you talk down at Israel, you must have a shockingly insightful revelation that would solve this situation and I'd love to hear it.  Surely you wouldn't be such a critic if you didn't have a better idea.

And anyone who willingly, intentionally attacks innocent civillians (families, buses, cafes, shopping malls) is a damn coward, whether they kill themselves in the process or not.

[Wolf]

The difference between Israel and Palestine is that Palestine specifically targets civilians while Israel specifically targets the people who specifically target civilians.

[leo]

Edric,

They are probably the biggest cowards I ever seen. To blow yourself in a bus full of innocent women, Children and men is not a coward's act? The only reason they actually sacrifice themselves is because they think it's what Allah wants them to and they will get 72 virgins(they are strictly religious so it's ok for them to kill themselves- there is nothing heroic or brave in it). Shooting on a woman and 4 of her little daughters is not a coward's act? To surround yourself with children of your own people just to save your ass is not a coward's act? If they are so brave so let them face our army, face to face, like men, instead of exploding in busses, shooting on kinder-gardens and hiding behind their own people.

They are probably the lamest people I have ever known, they are a disgrace to the human race and history.

[Edric O]

What's this? I raise the anger of not one, but three forumers for merely suggesting that killing innocent civilians is not, in fact, a trivial and easily justifiable act?

Edric, do you think the IDF wants innocent Palestinians dead?  Do you think they wish innocents as collateral damage?  If you truly believe that I don't know why I'm even trying...

I think the IDF doesn't really give a damn. They know they can get away with just about anything. They have no reason to specifically target civilians, of course, but if civilians just happen to stand in their way...

You know, the way you talk down at Israel, you must have a shockingly insightful revelation that would solve this situation and I'd love to hear it.  Surely you wouldn't be such a critic if you didn't have a better idea.

TALK DOWN at Israel? Is standing up to defend innocent victims suddenly considered TALKING DOWN to the oh-so-righteous Israel now?

Do I have a better idea? No, I do not. But unless you've been living under a rock for the better part of the 20th century, you should know by now that the current Israeli policy isn't working.

And anyone who willingly, intentionally attacks innocent civillians (families, buses, cafes, shopping malls) is a damn coward, whether they kill themselves in the process or not.

No, they are merely evil. It doesn't matter how you blow yourself up - the act of blowing yourself up takes guts.

The difference between Israel and Palestine is that Palestine specifically targets civilians while Israel specifically targets the people who specifically target civilians.

And what is Palestine supposed to do, exactly? Target heavily armed military camps who have 100 times more firepower than all the Palestinians combined? They are outgunned and have NO CHOICE but to target civilians - or surrender.

Edric,

They are probably the biggest cowards I ever seen. To blow yourself in a bus full of innocent women, Children and men is not a coward's act?

No, it's an evil act. But put yourself in their position. You are completely outgunned by an enemy occupation force that took your country and your land. They have tanks, planes and high-tech guns while you have nothing but rudimentary weaponry. What do you do?

The only reason they actually sacrifice themselves is because they think it's what Allah wants them to and they will get 72 virgins(they are strictly religious so it's ok from them to kill themselves- there is nothing heroic or brave in it).

So there was nothing heroic or brave about Moses leading you out of Egypt, or David facing Goliath, or Daniel entering the lion pit?

Shooting on a woman and 4 of her little daughters is not a coward's act? To surround yourself with children of your own people just to save your ass is not a coward's act?

Yes, those certainly ARE cowardly acts. But I was talking about suicide bombers.

If they are so brave so let them face our army, face to face, like men, instead of exploding in busses, shooting on kinder-gardens and hiding behind their own people.

Facing your army - your tanks, your planes, your machine guns and high tech - using what? Sticks and stones, and a few old AK-47's? That wouldn't be a battle, that would be a slaughter!

[TMA_1]

edric, I dont think they are mad at you for the reasons you have stated. You yourself have kinda been a little general in your statements, I mean not trying to offend you, but it is true. Though I know you arent implying it, your statements make it sound like you are saying that the IDF and other israeli groups dont mind killing civilians, or that it is a plan in mind. They dont wish to do it, but in a war it is bound to happen, all nations have done it, and at times not on accident, but because the actions of israel are so televised, we can see that those attacks that have been made, where civilians are killed, are almost always accidents. There have been a few cases of cruelty, but those who did it have been punished.

I think you should relent and at least look at the other side.

[leo]

Edric, big tanks, machine guns and planes didn't bother the 600,000 jews that lived in Israel to defend themselves against more than 5 big coutries in 1948.

So if you are afraid of a country's army and you can't handle it then you go for the weak?

[Edric O]

Edric, big tanks, machine guns and planes didn't bother the 600,000 jews that lived in Israel to defend themselves against more than 5 big coutries in 1948.

So if you are afraid of a country's army and you can't handle it then you go for the weak?

Hey, I'm not actually defending terrorists - I'm only playing devil's advocate. I'm pointing out that if you're a Palestinian and wish to fight Israel, then you have NO CHOICE but to resort to terrorism.

Attacking those who are weaker than you (i.e. those you can defeat) is standard military practice, isn't it? The war in Iraq was all about the USA attacking someone weaker than it...

And your war in 1948 was a conventional war, was it not? You had an army, and so did the other side. The Palestinians have no army.

[ordos45]

To lend my customary support to the IDF I'd like to bring something up.  Gaza City is one of the most densely populated areas on the planet.  When Israel retaliates there is always a chance that innocents will get caught in the crossfire due to population density. 

However, that did not happen this time.  Surgical strikes are good things.  Also one other fun fact:  The Palestinians have their own refugee agency at the UN, if they were treated under normal UN refugee standards, there would be a 90% drop in Palestinian refugees. 

(Isn't the history channel a good source of info?)

[Emperor Harkonnen]

Edric it is the palestinians who began the attacks. It is their only options yes, to surrender or to kill inocents because they cannot kill soldiers. but if they do not attack at all, Israel will not attack them. that's one option you did not mention. because it is after all the palestinians fault that there is a conflict there in the first place. if it haden't been for the attacks from the palestinians Israel would not do anything to the palestinians.

[Edric O]

...except occupying their country and taking their land.

[shygirl4]

Hamas are cowards, they specifically target children,and women, they blow up school busses, which contain only children, they are scared to fight with israil men, so they go after children. Hamas = cowards

Shy  >:(

long live israel  ::)

[Dante]

Who are we to choose sides and get involved?

[Emperor Harkonnen]

...except occupying their country and taking their land.

or perhaps it is not their land. this cannot be changed. all time in history land is conquered. Israel had this land before and have it again. This is just how it is. still they only stick to the land they have. if they expand it is due to palestine aggresion. and the land they got in the first place was given to the british for their aiding against the turk oppression towards the arabs. The brits gave it to the jews and here we are.

[ordos45]

...except occupying their country and taking their land.

Except the UN did that, and might I add it was the Israelis who made it good for agriculture.  If Israel would withdraw, it would have every right to leave a scorched and bitter land behind as they found it.

Besides, you have Israelis in their forties who were born and raised there now.  Are they occupiers in a foreign land when they were born there?