12 Points of American Liberal Hypocrisy

[Dante]

I believe I am correct.

And please, try and understand, I hold no moral views. Hense amoral. I do not argue with morals, I argue with logic. Stop attempting to pin a "moral view" on me, I don't have one.

[emprworm]

I believe I am correct.

And please, try and understand, I hold no moral views. Hense amoral. I do not argue with morals, I argue with logic. Stop attempting to pin a "moral view" on me, I don't have one.

"we have no business helping or hindering them. "

provide a logical reasoning for this then.  You like to slime your way out of moral arguments, yet you keep using them.

IRAQ as a society has said it is our business to help them.  Who are you to trump society?

Iaqis generally appear to want occupation forces to stay at least until security is restored and an Iraqi government is in place. Only 15 percent say they should leave now.

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20040316/wl_nm/iraq_poll_dc_2

checkmate.

yet again

[Dante]

Nonetheless, they all want them to leave. Eventually. They're not stupid enough to think that they can manage now without forces or Saddam.

And that wasn't a moral argument, it was common sense. Why should we poke our noses into other people's business? It's rude.

[VigilVirus]

Was that poll actually taken by Iraqis? Did everyone participate?

[emprworm]

rofl.

[VigilVirus]

Even if they are happier, that was never my point. US was never supposed to even be there. An attack on foreign country is an act of aggression and imperialism. It has happened everywhere - Columbia, Panama, Iraq, Afghanistan. And you wonder why nations hate US - many hate imperialism.

[emprworm]

imperialism?  To whom?  Obviously not to the Iraqi's.  They want our help. 

why is it your business when both parties are in agreement?  majorityy of Iraq and coalition...all acting as consenting countries.  why cant you just stay out of what is not your business and quit imposing your bush-hatred on everyone?  You are worse than a tele-evangelist with your fervent, force-fed dogma.

I am with the Iraqi's.  Who are you with?  oh wait, let me guess:  outside europeans, outside canadians....none of their business. 

IRAQ is simply several consenting countries agreeing to multi-national relations.  quit playing world dictator.

[VigilVirus]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=519&ncid=519&e=7&u=/ap/20040316/ap_on_re_us/international_poll_1

Read that and see what your Iraqis think.

I am not dogmatic at all, I simply present my opinions as opinions. You however, gladly bs when it comes to your "supporting facts".

[GUNWOUNDS]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=519&ncid=519&e=7&u=/ap/20040316/ap_on_re_us/international_poll_1

Read that and see what your Iraqis think.

I am not dogmatic at all, I simply present my opinions as opinions. You however, gladly bs when it comes to your "supporting facts".

your f'n blind arent you??

A majority of people living in Jordan, Morocco, Pakistan and Turkey say they believe the U.S. is conducting its campaign against terror to control Mideast oil and to dominate the world, according to an international poll released Tuesday...

I didnt see IRAQ in that list.... its spelled I-R-A-Q .....

thanks come again... man you make it too easy i swear...

how about when you are debating.. try reading the link before you post it...

if your not going to put any thought into your post and just pull random crap from the internet then its not worth reading your posts...

[VigilVirus]

You are an idiot...it's telling you what people in the Middle East think...it's not just those countries. Those are just examples.

[emprworm]

You are an idiot...it's telling you what people in the Middle East think...it's not just those countries. Those are just examples.

ROFL!

[Wolf]

Advocate, you did make a mistake there, however, your point is well-taken. I think it would be best just to honestly admit you made a slip of the tongue, but point out that your assertion is no less valid; the poll, I believe, speaks for itself.

[VigilVirus]

"Mostly europeans and Canadians (and Muslims that hate the western world)."

You mean everyone who isn't an ultra nationalistic american? 

"What part of CONSENTING NATIONS do you not understand?"

I don't believe anyone asked the Iraqi people BEFORE attacking them. You gotta remember what sort of a risk US took when it attacked Iraq - Saddam could've demolished his whole country just so it doesn't go to the US, just like he burned those oil wells (nice move, much props for you, Saddam). You do know that even so, about 3,000 Iraqi civilians were killed by american troops?

[emprworm]

lol, devils lunatic.

[GUNWOUNDS]

You are an idiot...it's telling you what people in the Middle East think...it's not just those countries. Those are just examples.

no no your the idiot... you showed a link to a poll that showed what Pakistan, Turkey, and Jordan  ..... and then you said in your post ... i quote

[emprworm]

no no your the idiot... you showed a link to a poll that showed what Pakistan, Turkey, and Jordan think

rofl.

nice catch, gunwounds.  dont let these euro-socialists try and twist facts around.

[Edric O]

So, since over 50% of Americans did not want Bush to be President in 2000, do you think Europe should have invaded and "liberated" you?

Or do you only take into consideration the polls that are in your own favour?

And keep in mind that Al-Qaeda represents the ultra-conservative Arabs. Just because conservative Arabs are fighting conservative Americans, that does not make them any less conservative. And it most certainly does not make them any less anti-socialist. The enemy of my enemy is NOT always my friend.

Do I need to remind you that the Ba'ath Party of Saddam Hussein came to power with the help of the CIA, and that one of its first actions after taking power was to arrest and/or murder the Iraqi socialists and communists?

[Acriku]

I think that it makes a difference when it is only +50% of the voting Americans.

[emprworm]

So, since over 50% of Americans did not want Bush to be President in 2000, do you think Europe should have invaded and "liberated" you?

total  stupidity.  You think human beings enjoy living under a dictator?  Saddam was a dictator.  Taking a 'poll' to see if they are happier now that their government is birthing a democracy is a waste of time.  No one wants to live under a dictator.

sure 50% of Americans would be happier to live without Bush.  And 50% americans would NOT be happier to have their government collapsed and replaced.  Americans are OVERWHELMINGLY in support of their constitution.  We do NOT need to be liberated from our government, like Iraq did.

quit distorting things Edric.  Its just like a euro-bush-hating-socialist to make rediculous comparisons and distort truth.  And I thought I would get better from you.

[Edric O]

total  stupidity.  You think human beings enjoy living under a dictator?  Saddam was a dictator.  Taking a 'poll' to see if they are happier now that their government is birthing a democracy is a waste of time.  No one wants to live under a dictator.

"Taking a poll is useless. We know what they want better than they do!"

Where have I heard that before? "There's no need for elections, my people love me!" ::)

That's very democratic of you, Emprworm. Do you plan to enlighten even more countries with this excellent new type of democracy?

[emprworm]

"Taking a poll is useless. We know what they want better than they do!"

Where have I heard that before? "There's no need for elections, my people love me!" ::)

problem is, that is not what I said.

[Edric O]

With all due respect to my socialist comrades, I am further to the left than them. I am a COMMUNIST, and you had better address me as such.

Now, I don't doubt the fact that people value their freedom and that they don't want to live under a dictatorship. The question is whether the US occupation and the chaos it brings are any better.

Personally, I'm rather neutral in regard to this war. On the one hand it is a clear example of US imperialism trampling on a defenceless country, but on the other hand, US imperialism is the lesser of the two evils (Saddam being worse).

So the only bone I have to pick with you is your incessant ranting about the evil anti-war leftists, and the way you love to combine all non-conservatives into the same liberal/socialist/whatever category, in a genuine hitler-esque style (he was the one who said that a good leader must have the ability to make different enemies appear related).

[emprworm]

With all due respect to my socialist comrades, I am further to the left than them. I am a COMMUNIST, and you had better address me as such.

Now, I don't doubt the fact that people value their freedom and that they don't want to live under a dictatorship. The question is whether the US occupation and the chaos it brings are any better.

Personally, I'm rather neutral in regard to this war. On the one hand it is a clear example of US imperialism trampling on a defenceless country, but on the other hand, US imperialism is the lesser of the two evils (Saddam being worse).

So the only bone I have to pick with you is your incessant ranting about the evil anti-war leftists, and the way you love to combine all non-conservatives into the same liberal/socialist/whatever category, in a genuine hitler-esque style (he was the one who said that a good leader must have the ability to make different enemies appear related).

how is it imperialism when Iraq WANTS us there?  This is between consenting nations.  its none of your business.  butt out.

and as for America being a dictatorship, that is so utterly absurd, it would only come from the mind of a hateful socialist.  I wonder why Kerry is running for office if Bush is a dictator with absolute power?

Interesting that Bush has no authority over my life.  He cannot come into my home, nor can he kidnap and rape my wife.  So how is he a dictator again?

[Edric O]

It's imperialism when you sell off the Iraqi economy to American corporations, which is something that the vast majority of Iraqis certainly do NOT want.

And when the hell did I ever say that Bush was a dictator?

[emprworm]

Iraq is not able to rebuild its infastructure that were destroyed in the war.  They do not have the resources.  Roads, buildings, wells, hospitals...all need to be rebuilt.  THe US is PAYING for this.  On the magnitude of 70 billion dollars.  Does IRAQ have that kind of cash?  Thats a lot of money that I AM PAYING to help rebuild Iraq.  A noble endeavor.