Are we mindless drones?

[Mihail]

Being new to hs forum,I'm not sure if there has been a topic like this,so excuse me if there has.Now,on to the topic.

Are we just drones,doing what our generations have done for ages? For example,are many of us just sheep who follow the few shephereds?

I mean,if you think about it,what big things have you done with your life?Was there a time when you weren't just doing your homework,going to school,playing a video-game,or doing something "really fun" like going to some cheesy excursion with your parents or kids?

I acknowledge that there have been shepheards,like Einstein,Hitler(Not that he did anything good,but that he actually spoke out and took action with what he believed in)and Lenin(Once again,I am not implying that he was a nice person,but that he TOOK ACTION in what he believed and finally toppled a giant empire),but most people HAVEN'T done things like that,and probably never will.Lets use me as an example.I haven't done anything like the previous 3 people mentioned,and most likely never will.I go to school,do my homework,and surf the net.But I haven't really...DONE anyhing with my life.So I am a sheep.And alot of other teens are also probably like me.But I am asking OTHER peoples opinions,not just stating mine.What do YOU think we are?Do we actually have much meaning to our lives?Sorry if my theory was confusing,but I've tried my best to explain it.

[GUNWOUNDS]

Being new to hs forum,I'm not sure if there has been a topic like this,so excuse me if there has.Now,on to the topic.

Are we just drones,doing what our generations have done for ages? For example,are many of us just sheep who follow the few shephereds?

I mean,if you think about it,what big things have you done with your life?Was there a time when you weren't just doing your homework,going to school,playing a video-game,or doing something "really fun" like going to some cheesy excursion with your parents or kids?

I acknowledge that there have been shepheards,like Einstein,Hitler(Not that he did anything good,but that he actually spoke out and took action with what he believed in)and Lenin(Once again,I am not implying that he was a nice person,but that he TOOK ACTION in what he believed and finally toppled a giant empire),but most people HAVEN'T done things like that,and probably never will.Lets use me as an example.I haven't done anything like the previous 3 people mentioned,and most likely never will.I go to school,do my homework,and surf the net.But I haven't really...DONE anyhing with my life.So I am a sheep.And alot of other teens are also probably like me.But I am asking OTHER peoples opinions,not just stating mine.What do YOU think we are?Do we actually have much meaning to our lives?Sorry if my theory was confusing,but I've tried my best to explain it.

i dont mind being a sheep...... sheep often have more relaxed and pleasurable lives.. while the sheperds like Hitler spend their last hours huddled in a corner getting ready to blow out his brains cause his empire was crumbling about him.

but i dont want to be a sheep or a sheperd.... but rather something inbetween..... here is an example...

honestly the best thing is to be a king's advisor.....

you get all the benifits of being the king.... and none of the hassles or responsiblities....

i read that in a story once cannot rememeber where.... 5 bucks to the person who can find out where that came from.

but anyways..... there are intermediates between ... sheep and sheperd........

[Emperor Harkonnen]

I would like to be a shepherd. I will not follow everyone else.

I am not some drone who follow past generation. I would more like to do something new. to take action as you say.

I believe that it depends on what you want wheter you just follow others or take action of your own

[EWS]

You may not actually get to choose what you are.  What if it is determined that you will be the sheep or the shepard.  Then what can we do?

I love that problem.

[Dante]

We are drones but we are not mindless. MOST of us aren't anyway.

I don't think it's actions like Hitler's or Lenin's (they were good examples) that prove them to be leaders rather than followers, I think it was their ideas. Hitler, Lenin, Napoleon, and many others were visionaries, trying to change what was around them and reverse the status quo. Einstein I'm not so sure of. A brilliant mind, yes. But not a great leader, nor someone drawn to change the face of the world.

I think even those who might appear to be drones can have great visions and aspirations, and that's what makes them potential leaders rather than followers. Of course most of them will never escape the dreary drudgery that their everyday lives are (I think about that a lot), so there are a lot of undiscovered Lenins and Hitlers and Napoleons out there.

For the rest... democracy breeds mindless drones. The simple people who never look beyond their own petty lives.

I would like to be a shepherd. I will not follow everyone else.

I am not some drone who follow past generation. I would more like to do something new. to take action as you say.

I believe that it depends on what you want wheter you just follow others or take action of your own

So what are you going to do? This day and age stifles free thinking and visionary ideas. What can you do except break away from the masses and live alone? Everyone wants to be a leader but it's so difficult to actually be one.

As for being the King's advisor... A sensible philosophy but one that can no longer apply in a democratic (read: idiotic) society.

[Mihail]

Yes,I see what you all mean.As for Einstein,I just meant he strived to know what noone else knew.Discovered the whole E=MC2 thing and others.

And I agree,democracy is too dull.1 leader manipulated by several others manipulated by money,drugs,and prostitutes.Fascism spicens things up.People start to revolt.To think about what they are doing,for doing ONE SMALL wrong thing may kill you.In a democracy,you have all your important lawyers and are under the protection under the law.While of course fascism isn't a good form of ruling,it certainly doesn't make dull people.Look at Saddam's or Stalin's regimes.People were picked up and thrown into big black cars with big blacked out windows by big blacked out men for no apparent reason,and the populace had to become wary as to not even spit on the sidewalk.

Now look at democracy.If youre picked up and thrown into big black cars with big blacked out windows by big blacked out men for no apparent reason,your lawyers would hound the government for millions of dollars when they got wind of that.And from this,people started to RELAX.Took drugs without being arrested by crooked cops,who in fascist countries would probably be executed if they were lax in their duties.

But without democracy half of us probably wouldn't be here today.It really is almost ironic how people waste their lives because of democracy,but also need it so they don't die before they waste their lives.So that pretty much concludes my argument for now.

[TMA_1]

tapped into two main parts of an idea in my opinion.

You are either the used or the user, the hunted or the hunter.

Then there are two ways you can look at this, you can change your situation and become the user, from being the used.

or the idea that you are perminantly stationed to being one of the two.

I would rather be stationed as the used than the user. I would rather be manipulated, as the manipulators in this life are generally either the great ones of our society, or the horrible evil ones.

[Dude_Doc]

Even if people revolt, they will be slaves to that society as well. The only way of living in this world is either together, or in anarchy. Only the people can decide how they want their society...

[Dante]

Not at all. Nothing stops the people at the top from deciding. The problem arrives when they try to bring in unpopular measure. In a democracy at least. Stupid democracy...

[Inoculator9]

Democracy is stupid, and Frank Herbert knew that when he wrote Dune. Let stupid people vote, they think they're in control. And when enough stupid people think they control everything, the don't pay any attention, which is not as it should be. In a perfect world, a great and principled person would rise up and do better, rule and govern and judge all, but not now... not later... likely never. Until our country and world sees beyond the stupidity of simple distinctions, we wont advance beyond the stage of bickering and internal poverty.

That's why, I'm moving to Mars and running for king. I will than invade Earth with an army of rocks at my back.

[TMA_1]

hey! I'd be your first subject. mind if I be your advisor?? I know a lot about desert planets. hehe

[GUNWOUNDS]

Democracy is stupid, and Frank Herbert knew that when he wrote Dune. Let stupid people vote, they think they're in control. And when enough stupid people think they control everything, the don't pay any attention, which is not as it should be. In a perfect world, a great and principled person would rise up and do better, rule and govern and judge all, but not now... not later... likely never. Until our country and world sees beyond the stupidity of simple distinctions, we wont advance beyond the stage of bickering and internal poverty.

That's why, I'm moving to Mars and running for king. I will than invade Earth with an army of rocks at my back.

oooh oooh i want to be the king's advisor !!!

[GUNWOUNDS]

lots of people in here talking about stifled visionaries and leaders becoming

[Dante]

The people who need to trek miles just for clean water? The people who are still discriminated against on basis of gender, race, culture, sexuality, religion, beliefs (not always the same as religion)? The people who commit suicide?

We do not live in a perfect world. If anything our need for visionary leaders rather than spineless politicians is greater than ever.

...... minorites have civil rights... we dont need anymore Martin Luther Kings

That's what you think.

[Inoculator9]

Yep Gunwounds, I don't get called a kike almost everyday :P But than again, people that "dont" call me a kike everyday "dont" get the shit kicked out of them ;)

But the point is, humanity needs visionary leaders so that it grows beyond what it has and doesn't die out because we stopped thinking about the future.

[GUNWOUNDS]

The people who need to trek miles just for clean water? The people who are still discriminated against on basis of gender, race, culture, sexuality, religion, beliefs (not always the same as religion)? The people who commit suicide?

We do not live in a perfect world. If anything our need for visionary leaders rather than spineless politicians is greater than ever.

That's what you think.

we dont need radical visionaries for people who have to walk for fresh water... there something for that.. its called the red cross or some humanitarian aid company.

i never said we live in a perfect world.... however our world is nowhere near as crazy as it use to be..... and thus such radical leaders are not necessary either....

[Inoculator9]

They need equal rights, is the point.

[GUNWOUNDS]

They need equal rights, is the point.

i totally understand.... but people are asking in this thread..... "why isnt there any more great hitler's or stalins or revolutions ?? etc etc"

and its because a great leader is only needed when something is terribly wrong.

right now the world is at a time in its existance where the status quo for most countries  is very nice.... AND when things are going well for people... they tend not to scream "viva la revolution"

[Inoculator9]

So the AIDS epidemic in Africa is great, because their stupid leaders think Americans implanted diseases in the vaccine? Africa, the Middle East, and even most far east countries are in great need of new leadership. China for example has the largest number of UN human right's violations of any country in the world.

[Dante]

Gunwounds: Why do you think we're not happy with the status quo? There is a reason you know. We do not just need a leader when something is wrong, we need a leader to make sure things continue to go right.

And besides, things are wrong at the moment. If things are so peachy for minorities then how come you can still make sexist remarks in General? How come we hear all these reports of racism in the police force? How come religion is tearing countries apart and how come 'gay' is still used as an insult? Just because you are happy doesn't mean that everyone else is. Minorities do still have a problem, whether you can see it or not.

Radical leaders are still needed and will always be needed.

[GUNWOUNDS]

Gunwounds: Why do you think we're not happy with the status quo? There is a reason you know. We do not just need a leader when something is wrong, we need a leader to make sure things continue to go right.

And besides, things are wrong at the moment. If things are so peachy for minorities then how come you can still make sexist remarks in General? How come we hear all these reports of racism in the police force? How come religion is tearing countries apart and how come 'gay' is still used as an insult? Just because you are happy doesn't mean that everyone else is. Minorities do still have a problem, whether you can see it or not.

Radical leaders are still needed and will always be needed.

hehehe.... scout .. listen.. every one of those examples you gave is petty....  go get in some time travel machine.... and then warp back in time to slavery days.... go up to some slave getting whipped with blood running down his back... and tell him that people are hurting your feelings by using the word gay as an insult....

write down his response and then time travel back here... and let me know what he said.

....how dare you say that  the piddly problems we have nowadays is just as bad as it was in the past.

comparing our problems with those of our ancestors is absurd.

[Dante]

I didn't compare them, you did.

[GUNWOUNDS]

I didn't compare them, you did.

not so fast....  you said 

Quote:  "we need radical leaders  even more now than ever before"

meaning that our problems we have today are worse than what our ancestors had to go thru...

[Dante]

I didn't say our problems were worse, they're just different. And we need leaders now more than they did then for two reasons.

1: They already had some, we don't.

2: It was easier to change things then. There wasn't so much bureaucracy and red tape.

You think this life is better than slavery? For many people it isn't. And for others it's just as bad; only in a different way.

[Inoculator9]

I agree with Dust Scout's statement. In the times of slavery, apathy was on the way out, as jobs required real labour... and TV hadn't been invented for much of the time. Now, with so many lazy pass times, humanity in many areas face the risk of degenerating into a totally degenerate society.