Teleportation, fact or fiction?

[nemafakei]

No, no, we are not 'teleporting' photons; they do that naturally. Every particle does that, in effect. It moves from A to B without passing through the intervening space - not going quickly, but instantaneously. Erratic, I grant, is true.

[Mahdi]

since they don't have this technology in dune I don't believe it will be possible. at least not in 30.000 years.

1) Dune is a fictional story, what does it have to do with anything?

2) Yes Dune does. It's called foldspace.

[TMA_1]

lol good grief guys, if anybody ever needs good pseudo scientists, Ill have them come to you guys.lol ;)

most of what oyu guys are saying are extreme overgeneralizations, and many of you guys are a track record for that. ::)

[Emperor Harkonnen]

since they don't have this technology in dune I don't believe it will be possible. at least not in 30.000 years.

1) Dune is a fictional story, what does it have to do with anything?

2) Yes Dune does. It's called foldspace.

I thought we were talking about the star trek teleportation. in star trek they do not fold space. folding space is meant for long distance travel, while the teleportation in star trek is not.

Lol I know that dune is fictional, I was just making a small joke ;) but I do believe a little in dune when it comes to the future.

[nemafakei]

"most of what oyu guys are saying are extreme overgeneralizations, and many of you guys are a track record for that"

But for generalisations, we can't teach anyone anything, unfortunately... classical physics is all wrong (to a very tiny degree of imprecision in mundane terms), but it gives one important section of the story, ready to be refined.

"if anybody ever needs good pseudo scientists, Ill have them come to you guys.lol"

Technical waffling is a speciality, but be sure to distinguish the more honest from the jokey.

[Wolf]

Wait a second, if its not teleportation, but the creation of the IDENTICAL object at the target location, is the object that is being "teleported" ever removed from the travel location? If you can construct a person out of random atoms for the purpose for teleportation, why stop there? Keep the guy at the start location and just start cranking out identical humans one after the other, cloning the way it was MEANT to be.

[Acriku]

Depends on the method I suppose.

[lowzeewee]

I think it's just fiction.It will never be able to be achieved...by transporting bit by bit of a person,wouldn't it kill him? :D ;D ???

[TMA_1]

Technical waffling is a speciality, but be sure to distinguish the more honest from the jokey.

hehehe, I know I was just ribbing you guys, and frankly nema, most of your waffling is right on and I wouldnt be suprised if you were teaching physics in a college setting.lol

[Emperor Harkonnen]

so folding space won't be possible is that what we are talking about? which means that we are stuck on earth never to reach any planet outside our solar system

[Cyborg]

Now you are forgetting about everything else...

Remember than in the future, people will be able to live forever, which actually solves the time problem totally.

However, boredom might be an issue :)

If the human can regenerate all the cells in its body instead of just some, like now, a human can live for somewhere around 1200 years.

Anyway, with some technology of some kind involved, we will be able to not die unless totally destroyed(and maybe not even then)...

[Atomic Mitten]

And who would feed all these immortals

[Cyborg]

Who are feeding us now?

I doubt it would change very much.

Although, new forms of food might appear.

[Emperor Harkonnen]

what about room then? we have to travel for many thousand years to find new planets to live on

[Cyborg]

Yes, room, what about room?

When someone lives forever, room won't change, will it?

There's no need for reproduction unless we need to fill more room, so to say.

[Atomic Mitten]

So your going to Sterilise the Chinese and other large population countries.

The Chinese are doing that now,with cries from the Western world of crimes against civil rights.

The Chinese are a very wise people, they know the alternative is world war and famine.

Think about it, the pensions in England are almost bankrupt because people are living longer, the younger workforce isn't sufficient to pay for all the pensions.

[Cyborg]

But if you think about it, there will be no such thing as pensions, because people are always young and healthy.

I know it would be hard to accept for many people when thinking of morale and such, because making someone live forever is against many rules...

[Acriku]

Back to teleportation, people.

Low, perhaps, but the person may just experience death and wake up on the other side. Or go read Timeline by Michael Crichton.

[Wolf]

When we go into a coma, or Stage 4 sleep, is that not analagous to death? We are, for all intents and purposes, unconscious. We are no longer aware, and we do not dream (stage 4 sleep is the absence of most brain activity, dreams mainly take place in stage 1 sleep, or REM). I think I can buy into the dying and waking up on the other side -- if you ever read Timeline (good book, it talks about all this stuff here) they experience pain in the transcription from start platform to target area. Is this their deaths?

[Mahdi]

You don't stop breathing in stage four sleep....

[Emperor Harkonnen]

we don't need young workers in the future. the machines will do everything for us! all we need is people with brains, so that the machines won't do for all the thinking. we are then going to have a socialistic society where everything is shared. Man that's a good idea, although I am the opposite of socialistic

[Wolf]

Well, Mahdi, I was referring to the actions of the *mind* during Stage 4 sleep. Sorry if I did not make that clear. Obviously we breathe during sleep. (Or *do* we? :) )

[Mahdi]

Well, Mahdi, I was referring to the actions of the *mind* during Stage 4 sleep. Sorry if I did not make that clear. Obviously we breathe during sleep. (Or *do* we? :) )

The mind is still active, in death it is inactive.

[Wolf]

I never said the mind was inactive, I said that for all intents and purposes our CONSCIOUS AWARENESS is "dead". Remember, for all intents and purposes, our awareness is ANALAGOUS to death during sleep. Please read my posts before you pick at them.

[Mahdi]

I never said the mind was inactive, I said that for all intents and purposes our CONSCIOUS AWARENESS is "dead". Remember, for all intents and purposes, our awareness is ANALAGOUS to death during sleep. Please read my posts before you pick at them.

I read your posts. They made absolutly no sense. Have you done any study of sleep patterns?

Your conscious awareness is not "dead". If it was dead then you would never wake up. Thats the major piont of death: The End. You cannot be brung back.

Hell, stage four sleep is when you walk, talk, and wet the bed. Your brain still processes the stimuli around you. Even though you move around in bed, you don't fall out, because your mind tells your body not to. If there is a baby in your bed, your mind keeps you from rolling on top and smothering them. Huge loud noises like airplanes may not wake you up but a soft wimper from a child will have you jumping out of bed. All of this in stage four sleep. Your mind recieves the information that you are nearing the end of the bed, processes it, and tells you to stop rolling. It hears an aircraft, process is it, decides it is unimportant, keeps you asleep. It hears the sound of a whimpering child, decides it is important, kicks you right out of bed.

Ever hear of nightterrors? Stage four sleep. Obviously need to have some consciousness in order to know you are terrified. Also, when youw ake up you have memories of nightterrors, which means there was consciousness. I have more to say, but I have to go.