space travel and time B.G.

[Emperor Harkonnen]

When people traveled in space B.G., would they not be ageing very slowly compared to people on planets. For example when Xavier traveled for several months around checking the defences of the planets in the Butlerian Jihad book, these months must have been several years for Serena Butler who was waiting for him on Salusa Secundus.

Is anything of this mentioned in Butlerian Jihad?

[Andrew]

I do not see it that way.

When you are on a commercial airplane travelling real fast, does everyone else that is not going the same speed as the plane age faster?

I see it as the ships are travelling real fast, and they have some way to deal with the G-force.

[NHJ BV]

I do not see it that way.

When you are on a commercial airplane travelling real fast, does everyone else that is not going the same speed as the plane age faster?

I see it as the ships are travelling real fast, and they have some way to deal with the G-force.

As an experiment, some guys once loaded an atom clock onto an airplane and flew around the world with it. When they returned, the clock was behind a millisecond. So it does matter, although not very much. A spacetrip of several months might be a bit more, but still hardly noticable, I think.

[Vanguard3000]

Well, in BJ, they seemed to travel with simple lightspeed technology (i.e. somehow accellerating to c), in which case, they would age much "slower" than the rest of the universe (or, from the crew's perspective, the universe would age much "faster" then themselves). At lightspeed (or beyond, somehow), this age accelleration would be extremely drastic (case in point: The Ampoliros), but this principle exists at any speeds. Astronauts often come back from orbit with slightly slow watches, for example.

[Emperor Harkonnen]

and Xavier traveled at near lightspeed. so I think it would be very noticable since they traveled for so long time.

[Timenn]

Don't try to understand the logical science in the Butlerian Jihad. You can pick alot of failures out of it. But that is not the reason why you read the book, I read it for fun.

About travelling close to light speed:

It is true that you will age slower then when 'standing still'. But another factor drops in: When you want to accelerate to light speed, you can only accelerate with a acceleration of about 20 ms^-2, meaning twice the earth's gravity. Otherwise a human will collapse because of the long duration of it.

When you travel this way, you can calculate what time it takes to reach light speed

300,000,000 ms^-1 / 20 ms^-2 = 15,000,000 s = about a half year.

THAT takes long... :)

[TMA_1]

Well even before I read the prequels or the DE, it seemed pretty obvious to me that the holtzmen drive existed before the jihad, but was navigated by super computers. It is the only logical idea, I mean the amount of space even before the butlerian jihad was staggering, and there simply could be no way for mass communication and travel without a faster than light speed travel. It would also be impossible for a government to exist with such a large section of space to control over. The DE expresses that and how the empire extremely overreached itself and created a dark age. (The age of 10000 emperors, or The Age of Pretenders). Also the DE aligned with my ideas about the holtzmen drive existing before the jihad. I did not get this idea from the DE though, it just helped confirm it so that is why I think the prequels are silly for even trying to fuse sublight travel with planets lightyears away from eachother. Also trying to create a light speed or faster than light speed engine is impossible, as mass increases with velocity, and that eventually it converts to light at lightspeed. You need something that goes beyond lightspeed by "trickery". Meaning that you need to find alternative ways of going faster than the speed of light which foldspace technology does. You cant have an interplanetary government or groups of government with that much space with sublight travel and lightspeed communications. It may be science fiction, but even science fiction needs to keep itself somewhat level with science, I mean look at the name of the genre.

[Timenn]

I always found the solve of DE a good one.

There was an empire which had fallen apart, but when the Fold Space Generator was invented, the Reunification Wars followed. They used supercomputers then to travel through folded space. And later the 'humans' did that, after they found spice, and the Guild was founded

[Scrinlord]

i think that the prequels did have faster than light drives, but they were still just normal engines, that went really fast. the holtzman engine does not actually propel the craft, it folds space to move the vessel. much more similer to teleportation than driving.

[TMA_1]

that is what I said.lol