Sardaukar Religion

[TMA_1]

The religion of the sardaukar is mysterious, and almost occult in its secrecy. It seems odd that during this time of unified religion that a sect of men would have an almost barbaric and "primitive" warrior religion. The sardaukar seem in general really archaic, like they deserve to be in another older time when warriors fought with only their skill. It seems that frank herbert didnt want to modernize the future, as oxymornic as that sounds. He wanted to show that we humans always stay the same, that we advance and then drop off, advance and drop off. still though through it there are always those hints of primitive thought. I have always een the sardaukar and their religion as a huge symbol of that. anybody know what I mean?

[Caid Ivik]

Sardaukar religion does not need to be considered as independent. They are possibly a warrior sect, fanatically interpreting religious terms. Like muslim asasins, murabitins or also today's wahabists.

[TMA_1]

actually it kinda points to it being a sort of cult. worshipped by only the sardaukar. which is why it is called their warrior religion.

[Emperor Harkonnen]

I can't seem to remember something from a sardaukar religion. could you tell me about it? and isn't it strange the emperor doesn't have the same religion?

btw. good inturpreting(or however it is spelled) of the fighting in dune.

[Caid Ivik]

Who said it was their only religion? Maybe they agreed with imperial church, but also added own cult. Like of what were Templars accused.

[rosoner2]

maybe they have religion like Vikings

[TMA_1]

you are making assumptions caid. It seems to say only that it is a secretive religion, a cult of sorts. so I would have to disagree.

[Emperor Harkonnen]

yo TMA where did u found out that sards had a religion?

[Andrew]

yo TMA where did u found out that sards had a religion?

That is what I was wondering also.

My guess is from the Dune Encyclopedia as I have not read all of it, if not he took all/some of the Dune info together and came to the conclusion that they were a "religion".

[TMA_1]

no, I got all of that info from frank's original works. I will have to skim over the books to give the exact places where it states this, but if you ask somebody like vanguard, I think he will confirm my conclusion. They are religious fanatics of a different faith, or at least a scewed one. You guys are telling me you never have heard of their warrior cult?

[Andrew]

I never did. Maybe I missed that :-[. The only books that would really speak of them is the first 3 books.

[Emperor Harkonnen]

I never read it either and I have also read the first 3 books

[Caid Ivik]

All points on Sardaukar religion are in description of terms at the end of each book.

[Andrew]

You mean the dictionary at the end of each(most) books?

[TMA_1]

hmm I remember reading it somewhere in Dune. Or maybe in one of the other books in the first trilogy. It seems to mention emperor worship, or something of that sort.

[Emperor Harkonnen]

was it in the appendix in dune maybe? ???

[TMA_1]

http://www.dune2k.com/?page=community-articles&show=sardaukar

there is a link to an article written by Garth Patterson, he got his information from the first trilogy of Dune books and it, as well as Dune Warfare are my favorite articles on fed2k. I highly suggest reading all of them, even mine, though they were written a long time ago and are pretty crappy.lol

I go along with his interpritation and have always thought that it was a secret warrior religion. one seperate from the other eccumenical religion. That it has some sort of thing to do with emperor worship.

[Egeides]

Their religion is secret, esoteric (in opposition to EXOteric). Generally, this type of religion, beliefs, seems pretty much as something adapt to the situation since mixed with power/politics (all this collective "oath of secret" may bring the possibility of strenghtening relationships and secret arrangements/discussions). All this religion may be constituted by symbolism everywhere that will show to the initiates (and a bit to non-initiates) the "feeling" of their ideas. Their ideology, what is sticking them together, will be consacrated into their "religion" (which will stick them together even more).

Thus, it potentially seems a bit like the Templars.

[Inoculator9]

You guys seem to make it out more as a "Hail the Warrior Gods" kind of thing when I think it would be more like "Hail War." I would say the worshiped the act.

[Caid Ivik]

"Worship" itself isn't best form. I would compare it more to natural tribes' animistic rituals of fight. Like that dance presented by neozealandian rugbysts ;D