Dunenewt Posted August 22, 2003 Posted August 22, 2003 Lets make it simple. I wouldn't move because this is the Culture I am used to and one I like.
nampigai Posted August 22, 2003 Posted August 22, 2003 ok then, what about enforcing our culture on others?
Guest Eric E. Posted August 22, 2003 Posted August 22, 2003 The problem is not with groups of people but when these groups of people refuse to embrace the culture and way of living of the country they have moved to. And you can count on it that these groups won't embrace the culture and way of living of the country they moved to. GOT IT let's send all moslem back, I'm sure that will solve the problem and make the world a great place. probabley will fix some problems we are facing now, but the entire EU must be closed down.
Dunenewt Posted August 22, 2003 Posted August 22, 2003 Bring back the European Free Trade Associaion. That is why most countries joined.
Babylon Posted August 22, 2003 Author Posted August 22, 2003 If we don't enlarge the EU and starting to work closer, the US will have no large power to hold it back. Something I personally don't want.
Babylon Posted August 22, 2003 Author Posted August 22, 2003 well, sort of get away with everythinh (like they are doing now, taking over a country without any evidence that that country is a threat. and it now seams it wasn't)
Dunenewt Posted August 22, 2003 Posted August 22, 2003 Well I guess you can include the UK and Australia in that aswell then.
Babylon Posted August 22, 2003 Author Posted August 22, 2003 GB and Australia could never have done it without America (at least, not this quick) (No offence)
Sardauker-Kirov Posted August 22, 2003 Posted August 22, 2003 Yes that will solve it all. Argueing and making nonsense in a Dutch politic thread? Jezus Namp, now you're a psychic that knows all and sees all, no matter where you are?Holland is currently fucked up and as for the immigrants, they don't embrace our culture? Then they must get out. Do the Dutch people in Turkey or Morroco wave Dutch flags and piss off people? No they don't.Strange part is, when you go on vacation to either Turkey or Morroco, people there are more nicer and more hospitable.Guess? Criminals and poor families travels to rich countries to leech our wealth.I'm not sure how long Dutch people will tolerate this, I've already seen some of my friends molesting and beating up Morroco ,Turkish 'criminals'.They're tired of having those criminals in front of their house..And besides, you do not even have knowledge about the events in our country. Hence, you don't even LIVE here.About Pim; I'm not suprised if someone ordered to kill him, his popularity was so high, it would turn everybody green of envy.
Dunenewt Posted August 22, 2003 Posted August 22, 2003 GB and Australia could never have done it without America (at least, not this quick) (No offence)Any of the countries could have done it this quickly. :O
ordos45 Posted August 22, 2003 Posted August 22, 2003 GB and Australia could never have done it without America (at least, not this quick) (No offence)GB has the SAS, the SAS makes our elite units look like babies.
Guest Eric E. Posted August 22, 2003 Posted August 22, 2003 Yes that will solve it all. Argueing and making nonsense in a Dutch politic thread? Jezus Namp, now you're a psychic that knows all and sees all, no matter where you are?Holland is currently fucked up and as for the immigrants, they don't embrace our culture? Then they must get out. Do the Dutch people in Turkey or Morroco wave Dutch flags and piss off people? No they don't.Strange part is, when you go on vacation to either Turkey or Morroco, people there are more nicer and more hospitable.Guess? Criminals and poor families travels to rich countries to leech our wealth.I'm not sure how long Dutch people will tolerate this, I've already seen some of my friends molesting and beating up Morroco ,Turkish 'criminals'.They're tired of having those criminals in front of their house..And besides, you do not even have knowledge about the events in our country. Hence, you don't even LIVE here.About Pim; I'm not suprised if someone ordered to kill him, his popularity was so high, it would turn everybody green of envy.Thanks for saying that,This is what i've been telling everyone the whole time.
Dunenewt Posted August 22, 2003 Posted August 22, 2003 GB and Australia could never have done it without America (at least, not this quick) (No offence)GB has the SAS, the SAS makes our elite units look like babies.Don't forget the SBS - Special Boat Service - who saw action in the Iraq War.The SEALs aren't that bad though.NaMp:Maybe no-one wants to go to your country then ::)
Anathema Posted August 22, 2003 Posted August 22, 2003 Dutch people:You guys think you know how to solve all problems within a day, well get a clue. If there were an easy solution for immigration problems or bad integration of minorties into society it would have been solved 30 years ago, but no, you guys believe some populist, Fortuyn, who came out of nowhere with no political experience and who said he had all the answers.Now is that amusing or what?Newt:If most countries didn't want the EU then it wouldn't have existed, and your country will just have to get used to it that it can't have the advantages of something and not accepting the disadvantages at the same time, wich is what it has been doing all along.
Dunenewt Posted August 22, 2003 Posted August 22, 2003 Accept it? lolYou must be joking!!! We'll be out of it soon hopefully. The only good thing to have come out of it was Free Trade and we has EFTA for that.
Guest Eric E. Posted August 22, 2003 Posted August 22, 2003 you guys believe some populist, Fortuyn, who came out of nowhere with no political experience and who said he had all the answers.Now is that amusing or what? pim got killed before he got selected. So we don't know what would've happend.
Babylon Posted August 22, 2003 Author Posted August 22, 2003 I myself had the change to see our immigration laws being practised from up-close. Most people that come in to our country nowerdays have a very good reason to have fled their own country. Those that don't get thrown out. Only a small (to small) percentage can stay. I'll give you an example:A girl, 15 years of age, pregnant, not knowing who the father is, because it can be anyone of 200 soldiers that rapped her during her captivity in a military camp since she was 8 years old. Gets send back because she couldn't remember every detail of what happened during her voyage here.Another one:A boy 8 years old, saw his parents and siblings brutally murdered in his own house by soldiers. Gets send back because he, in his childish fantasy world (no doubt formed to drive away the bad memories), says that he got here by a plane that went underwater.Another one:A brother and sister, only have eachother left. Rest of the family, once again, brutally murdered. Fled to here because a nice man gave them some money and told them to stick with a particalur story (in truth this man will have hencemen here in The Netherlands that will try to pick up the girl for prostitution). Sister can stay, because she is 15 years of age, brother gets send back, because he is 18. Until that time they are placed in separate homes. Once the brother gets back to his country, 90% change he will get killed.These aren't stories I just made up. This really happened. If you hear this first hand you will want them to stay.One more thing. 2 numbers38726 asylum request21255 asylum request DENIEDoh and one more18288 asylum request still being handled(source: IND)Which means that at this moment allmost no persons are getting into this country. Emmigration numbers are 30K+. Thought you might want to know...
Guest Eric E. Posted August 22, 2003 Posted August 22, 2003 Well I don't want them to stay, stories like these are found all over the world. We can't keep on saving them.I think we should stop importing/exporting Funds from those countries. So that we don't have this feeling we are obligated to help them somehow.
Timenn Posted August 22, 2003 Posted August 22, 2003 Wait a minute.Dutch creates refugees in specefic countries, because:- They agree on a war which will be fought there.- They suck all the money out of the country that can be earned there. (By buying infra cheap products there, from which the money barely reaches the producer)- They refuse to send money for help.And now we are also refusing those refugees?Another thing: Politics isn't simple, you can't expect a solution to all problems which can be carries out in one day.Help to poor countries needs to be done with large projects, and we should help those countries through many years of rebuild (Yes, rebuild, because we damaged some with our colonization)You say that allochtons with a Dutch passport aren't Dutch according to you. Why should they treat you with respect then? While you aren't treating them with respect.You are not a dutch too. I don't know where you came from, but one day your ancestors moved to the Netherlands. I we are going to check the ancestors then no one is Dutch. So that is why people with a Dutch passport are Dutch. And don't treat them like they aren't!Sardaukar_Kirov, your friends are barbaric, that they play their own judge and that they beat up those "criminals" They aren't proven to be, and furthermore, only the state may give punishments. Should I suggest then that they must be send to their country of origin?Ever heard of the "scapegoat"?Think about that, and why you are blaming all those allochtons and blaming all those autochtons whose ancestors came here not very long ago.
Guest Eric E. Posted August 22, 2003 Posted August 22, 2003 Another thing: Politics isn't simple, you can't expect a solution to all problems which can be carries out in one day.Help to poor countries needs to be done with large projects, and we should help those countries through many years of rebuild (Yes, rebuild, because we damaged some with our colonization)You say that allochtons with a Dutch passport aren't Dutch according to you. Why should they treat you with respect then? While you aren't treating them with respect.You are not a dutch too. I don't know where you came from, but one day your ancestors moved to the Netherlands. I we are going to check the ancestors then no one is Dutch. So that is why people with a Dutch passport are Dutch. And don't treat them like they aren't! It depens on how far you look back. The dutch as we know them now are the original citizans, ''White people'' ''Cheeseheads''. Looking back 1,000,000 years is just stupit and pointless.Why should they treat me with respect? I pay taxes which gives them the choise to live here. Their money that comes from welfare are my payed taxes. They don't respect that for one bit. all they're after is money. ''Please i need money to support my 12 children'' :'(.There wasen't any colonization in ''marokko'' that also involved the netherlands.If we take a look back in evolution, You can see that some colored ( They are colored because they were living closer to the equator ) people are less evolved. One of these reasons is that their food was growing on tree's. The entire food economy didn't work. They had everything, Food was growing on tree's. Think about it, What more could a primitive mind wish for?.
Guest Eric E. Posted August 22, 2003 Posted August 22, 2003 Ever heard of the "scapegoat"?Think about that, and why you are blaming all those allochtons and blaming all those autochtons whose ancestors came here not very long ago. Lets play it simple, we just look back one generation. If you go further back in the past, Blame the substances that created earth!
Babylon Posted August 22, 2003 Author Posted August 22, 2003 Ever heard of the "scapegoat"?Think about that, and why you are blaming all those allochtons and blaming all those autochtons whose ancestors came here not very long ago.I've heard of another scapegoat incident. Not so long ago a group of people blamed another group of people for all the missery in their country. Quiet like what Eric E. is doing now. I don't think I have to tell you of what people I am talking about, or what country, or what happened...I feel sick. Sick for being a Dutchmen just like Eric E. I sincerly hope he will one day come to terms with himself. I pity him and others like him. :'( Where has this country come to. I started this thread a few days ago hoping it wasn't this bad and to prove that it is one of the best countries in the world to live in. But if enough people like Eric E. really live here, I'm seriously thinking of moving. What a sad, sad situation :'(
Timenn Posted August 22, 2003 Posted August 22, 2003 It depens on how far you look back. The dutch as we know them now are the original citizans, ''White people'' ''Cheeseheads''. So, only those people are real Dutch according to you? This sounds like Hitler speaking..Looking back 1,000,000 years is just stupit and pointless.So is looking back 400 years too.Why should they treat me with respect? I pay taxes which gives them the choise to live here. Their money that comes from welfare are my payed taxes. They don't respect that for one bit. all they're after is money. ''Please i need money to support my 12 children'' :'(.They pay taxes too. And what keeps making your arguments pathetic is that constant 'they'. If you keep generalising then you don't know what you are talking about, and then you can better stay out of discussionsIf we take a look back in evolution, You can see that some colored ( They are colored because they were living closer to the equator ) people are less evolved. One of these reasons is that their food was growing on tree's. The entire food economy didn't work. They had everything, Food was growing on tree's. Think about it, What more could a primitive mind wish for?.This is rascism. And this is my second warning for you. Keep getting on with this and I will limit your number of posts per day.Don't argue with me about this, you must know when you have crossed your line. When you don't like foreigners, or how you call them, is your business, but saying such things as these are not allowed here
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