Saddam's toll - 160 people per day

[SurlyPIG]

Well the direct number of 160 per day adds up to about 1.5 million over the quarter-decade he was in power. They probably included the three wars on top of that, though. I think the total fatalities for the Iran-Iraq war was about 700,000, I don't know about the Gulf War.

The people who said that must be counting all soldiers and civillians from both sides during all wars that Saddam was involved in. 6 million seems quite far fetched to me, unless they were counting all casualties as fatalities. Are you sure they said that he killed six million people?

If they did they must have counted all the people that died as a result of him when they could have lived if there were an other leader (starvation, lack of water, not enough basic medicine etc.)

Still, about half that number wouldn't surprise me.

[Gobalopper]

I'm not really sure what the number was in relation to but it had something to do with Saddam, I saw it the other day and can't remember where the article was anymore.

[Sardauker-Kirov]

They never had any reason to. Do you think the UN would just let anyone do so? After 9/11, War on Terrorism began. The United States Government targeted the countries that possesed terrorists/fundamentalists. Iraq, because of Saddam Hussein and the probability of him having WoMD's, which will probably be found in the (hopefully) near future.

Iran, because of it's fascist-fundamentalic government, enslaving people. North Korea, because of it's threaths and suddenly nuclear plans.

America ignores UN most of the time, and the UN is already doing a horrible job at keeping an eye on the world.

9/11, the war of revenge more likely. So, did they liberated Afghanistan or did they just marched into the country to find mean terrorists?

Maybe, maybe not, we'll find out when America conquers China because they suspects them of Terrorism too. ::)

Besides, it's Korea's choice that they are building warheads, oh wait, America may load themselves to the brim with ICBM's and other countries may not use any nuclear related technology, because ALL is evillllllll in the eyes of America.

Probably, if America finishes the new nuclear defense technology, all is allowed to build nukes because? There is no danger to them anymore.

Saddam ruled Iraq. He ruled the Iraquis. He had "illegal weapons", controlled by Saddam. Logically, getting rid of Saddam means getting rid of his weapons. Anyone understands this.

Nice words, but there is one thing bothering me, they haven't found a clue about illegal weapons, yet.

If they won't find any, America will be in SERIOUS trouble.

Not only will they make their reputation more worse, they'll eventually get problems with the European nations and the UN.

Obviously, you don't understand that freedom is unbearable hard to achieve. Stop playing Civilization 2 and take a look on the real world.

Now what has Civilization to do with real life, I think you should wake up for a change and look at the current situations.

Freedom being achieved by American forces, good one.

First you know, we must all swear alliance to the flag of the America.

Might as well say; Lang liebe Bush, Lang liebe Bush!

[SurlyPIG]

As for the Smart bombs.

Odd, I suppose the bombs get smart and does exactly what America's say?

Hit the innocent targets or malfunction and fall right into a school with children.

And I suppose, that the pilot makes a mistake at such a time, while it was TRAINED to make not any mistakes and fight efficiently in the war.

Bombs are machines. Machines malfunction. Machines screw up. They break down. How many times has your computer frozen on you huh? Soldiers are people. People make mistakes. Pilot error isn't usually the cause of error though. This is REAL LIFE kirov. Perfection is not possible.

Also, recently found some sources that support the numbers I posted.

Had we not fought and had Saddam Hussein controlled Kuwait's oil, this man who has started two wars that have killed at least 1,300,000 people would have used the money to ramp up his undegraded weapons of mass destruction and missile programs.

http://www.nd.edu/~prinfo/news/2001/10-26z.html

1.3 million divied over 24 years is 149 per day, and the article uses the words 'at least'.

[Sardauker-Kirov]

Bombs are machines. Machines malfunction. Machines screw up. They break down. How many times has your computer frozen on you huh? Soldiers are people. People make mistakes. Pilot error isn't usually the cause of error though. This is REAL LIFE kirov. Perfection is not possible.

Perfection isn't possible, but seriously, isn't it a coincidence that the bombs suddenly malfunction in the war?

Not to forget, the Americans check their weapons and ammunition.

Reducing the chance of malfunction.

The Americans just bombed the civilians, because they don't care about them.

They only care about human lives, if a camera points at them which can make articles public.

And in case, emprworm responds to this post;

"The happy iraqi people dancing on the streets, because our glorious nation helped them."

I'm sure of it that a large quantity of Iraqi people are dancing with Ak-47's and with pure anger on the streets because of the Americans, go figure.

People are humans, humans are humans. But still, I can't understand how these highly trained troops killed their own troops in friendly fire.

Oh, and my computer rarely crashes on me.

Windows XP :D

[ken124578]

Not to forget, the Americans check their weapons and ammunition.

Reducing the chance of malfunction.

The Americans just bombed the civilians, because they don't care about them.

We'd all rather have 100+ iraqi's die everyday by saddam alone sardaukar-kirov. ;)

If they would bomb civilians they would've used something like napalm or the MOAB etc instead of 100k+ costing smart bombs. ;)

They only care about human lives, if a camera points at them which can make articles public.

And in case, emprworm responds to this post;

"The happy iraqi people dancing on the streets, because our glorious nation helped them."

I'm sure of it that a large quantity of Iraqi people are dancing with Ak-47's and with pure anger on the streets because of the Americans, go figure.

I guess the iraqi people rather have saddam kill their family members and degrade iraq's economical situation. ;)

People are humans, humans are humans.

And humans make mistakes, it's normal.

Oh, and my computer rarely crashes on me.

Windows XP :D

It'll crash sooner or later.

[Acriku]

I don't think it's very accurate to make a low-grade computer analogous to a military high-grade weapon. The two are too different.

[SurlyPIG]

Perfection isn't possible, but seriously, isn't it a coincidence that the bombs suddenly malfunction in the war?

AUGH! Cement head! They malfunction in testings too ya know!

Not to forget, the Americans check their weapons and ammunition. Reducing the chance of malfunction.

Keyword: REDUCING. Reducing does not mean eliminating.

The Americans just bombed the civilians, because they don't care about them.

So you think that they shot off million dollar bombs in civillian neighbourhoods JUST to kill the civillians for some reason? If you don't believe that it's accidental, consider this; coalition soldiers frequenty kill EACH OTHER by accident.

And in case, emprworm responds to this post;

"The happy iraqi people dancing on the streets, because our glorious nation helped them."

I'm sure of it that a large quantity of Iraqi people are dancing with Ak-47's and with pure anger on the streets because of the Americans, go figure.

Pockets of resistence are in areas filled with Saddam loyalists. The post-Saddam celebrations were large and widespread.

People are humans, humans are humans. But still, I can't understand how these highly trained troops killed their own troops in friendly fire.

Because they are humans.

[ken124578]

Umm... i just said the same thing. :D

[Terror]

ACE is right though, i too heard that saddam had murdered over a million people during his reign. And Hitler killed more thant 1/17th of his people during the war i think. In russia 3 to 4 million germans died, i don't know about the casualties in europe, but let's say 2 million, that means 5 million total. What is Germanies population?

[DukeLeto]

http://www.nd.edu/~prinfo/news/2001/10-26z.html

1.3 million divied over 24 years is 149 per day, and the article uses the words 'at least'.

That "1.3 million" includes military causalties, yes? At that, probably from both sides. Find me the number of CIVILIANS, and then we'll see if we can get somewhere. ::)

[Terror]

is 1.3 million soldiers not bad enough? In what war, after world war 2 did so many soldiers die? And what about all those mass graves, filled with people who died a painful death in Saddam's secret chambers eh?

[SurlyPIG]

If you would have actually read the paragraph you would have found that it said 1.3 million was the amount hat *he* killed. There were more than a million casualties in the Iran-Iraq war alone, if that total included war casualties it would probably be twice as high.