Senatus Populusque Americanus

[Dude_Doc]

America cared so much about Europe, they've chosen to stay neutral until Japan (Part of the Axis) attacked Pearl Harbor.

This sounds more like a act of revenge, than caring about the freedom of the world.

Everytime an "anti-American", as I like to call them, says something like this makes me laugh. First, you accuse the USA for being covards because they didn't help Europe. Then, when they DO SOMETHING, you accuse them of being evil. It really never was a World War until Japan and the USA entered it. Oh, and did you know that the USA was not allowed to enter the war? As I said before, to make weapons, you need money.

Realistic version: *All the Americans runs and say charge, but suddenly a pair of Tiger tanks blasts them and Stuka's flies over them, bombarding the snot out of them, soldiers in trenches shooting the piss out of them and Machine guns coming out from the bushes kills their support infantry that carries Machine guns, the Americans only manage to kill a few Germans but the Germans slaughtered the Americans and cheers*

You sound like a Nazi/Navaros.

[Sardauker-Kirov]

You sound like a Nazi/Navaros.

Awwww, sorry to hurt your pride, but the Americans did encountered heavy resistance and got slaughtered by German divisions.

And because I admire the Germans bravery and fierce soldiers, does that make me a Nazi?

I totally HATE Hitler, like I said before, he is a embarrasment to the Germans.

Do you call Edric O a stalin lover because he loves Communism?

Wait, I call you a Bush-Nazo, now we're both even.

And the Americans help all right, for a PRICE.

It's just funny and makes ME laugh that everytime we do something that they don't like, they go around and call us EUROPEANS traitors and evil people that supports Terrorism, because WE don't help.

America's President can join any war at any time, behold the so called 'voting'

And seeing American's political and economical strength in WW2, I would say, they won't need the extra money.

They already had the upper hand in production and were successful beating off the Japanese.

Even though the Japanese caused alot of casualties on the Americans side.

No wait, the Americans did more casualties because of the A-Bomb, they cared so much about world peace and security that they used a mass destruction weapon and just laughed as the bomb explode, killing tons of people.

Frankly, I hope that the American politics will someday die at the hands of angry Russians, Asians or Europeans.

[Dude_Doc]

Awwww, sorry to hurt your pride, but the Americans did encountered heavy resistance and got slaughtered by German divisions.

And because I admire the Germans bravery and fierce soldiers, does that make me a Nazi?

I totally HATE Hitler, like I said before, he is a embarrasment to the Germans.

Do you call Edric O a stalin lover because he loves Communism?

Wait, I call you a Bush-Nazo, now we're both even.

Yes, it does make you a Nazi because you support what they fought for: Nazism. What, you think they just went into battle because they had nothing else to do?

Also, I never said Edric O was a Stalinist. Like TMA (I think) posted in another thread: I only disagree with his ideals and his view on the world.

And the Americans help all right, for a PRICE.

It's just funny and makes ME laugh that everytime we do something that they don't like, they go around and call us EUROPEANS traitors and evil people that supports Terrorism, because WE don't help.

Really, when was the last time they called "us" terrorists? And it wasn't just some "didn't help", they didn't need any help. No! All of a sudden, Germany, France and Russia got so interested of not having this war, that it seemed they were ready to die for it! Isn't THAT strange? What do Germany, France and Russia care for a little country? Perhaps it is their own oil-deals they made with Iraq? Ever thought about that?

No wait, the Americans did more casualties because of the A-Bomb, they cared so much about world peace and security that they used a mass destruction weapon and just laughed as the bomb explode, killing tons of people.

Ever heard of the Japanese Empire slaughtering thousands of Chinese people during WW2? Perhaps you like fascism more than communism, in this case?

Frankly, I hope that the American politics will someday die at the hands of angry Russians, Asians or Europeans.

Please, this isn't Command & Conquer (although the game was/is excellent). Open your eyes and take a look on the real world.

[emprworm]

lol, Edric is just a paranoid delusional basket case. the "Bush Empire?" ROFL! The US does not permit emperors. 4 years is all a US president gets (8 max) and even then you do not have as much power as Edric thinks. Hardly an "emperor" Edric has nightmares about the US taking over the world. rofl. That wouldn't be a bad thing either. There are many countries on this planet that really really really SUCK to live in. The US isn't one of them.

[SurlyPIG]

Nice to see you again Emp. It gets a little tedious. Several people have said the exact same thing you have, but Edric just ignores us. Ah well, I guess people never change unless they want to.

[zamboe]

There are many countries on this planet that really really really SUCK to live in. The US isn't one of them.

You made my day with that. Funny indeed.

[zamboe]

" Several people have said the exact same thing you have"

And that made them right ?, please, quality over quantity, btw in this case WE have both.

Ah well, I guess people never change unless they want to.

Take a mirror and repeat it to yourself, it might work.

[Sardauker-Kirov]

Now what did Europe cared about Iraq? Nothing, simply nothing.

The people doesn't want a war with them, maybe the politicians do.

No wait, I'm a Asian Nazi with German blood, I am not allowed to speak things in the name of freedom, that is only for the people of the US.

The Germans fought for their fatherland, maybe you didn't heard about the word patriot, I thought Americans are 'patriots' but they only see themselves as patriots and they ignore the other world's cultures.

And what are they supposed to do? Wait for the enemy to capture them and torture them in the most inhuman ways?

No wait, the Americans did more casualties because of the A-Bomb, they cared so much about world peace and security that they used a mass destruction weapon and just laughed as the bomb explode, killing tons of people.

Ever heard of the Japanese Empire slaughtering thousands of Chinese people during WW2? Perhaps you like fascism more than communism, in this case?

And slaughtering thousands, no wait, MILLIONS of Vietnamese people is normal?

Most of them died by the wonderful Napalm that you just thrown on them, because they were all armed VC?

Yeah, you know, Ahmet and Mohammed that lives next the corner are Terrorists in civilian clothing and next to them is Ghenghis Khan and Rommel planning a mass destruction plan on America. *laughs sarcasticly*

Now if this isn't a Command and Conquer game, why does Assassins killed important politicians in the world?

Terrorists had beautiful chances to put a bullet through his head or bombard him.

Ah, emprworm good to see you again, still not changed seeing as you still take words literally.

I wonder who else attempts to 'americanize' me.

[SurlyPIG]

And that made them right ?, please, quality over quantity, btw in this case WE have both.

Actually everyone one of you has avoided it like the plague, in a typical dodgy-dodgy fashion. All of you call the US an empire and Bush a dictator, but not one of you has addressed one of us when we pointed out that he is limited to two terms and must be elected to his position. How can you be a dictator or an emperor if you must be voted into power and have a maximum time in office? The very nature of being a dictator is having totalitarian power. So by default Bush is not a dictator, and the US therefore not an empire. No amount of lying or propaganda is going to change that Zamboe. You can certainly try it but you won't get away with it.

Take a mirror and repeat it to yourself, it might work.

Right back at ya! I like who I am and what I think. That only changes when there is reason to.

[zamboe]

Actually everyone one of you has avoided it like the plague, in a typical dodgy-dodgy fashion. All of you call the US an empire and Bush a dictator, but not one of you has addressed one of us when we pointed out that he is limited to two terms and must be elected to his position. How can you be a dictator or an emperor if you must be voted into power and have a maximum time in office? The very nature of being a dictator is having totalitarian power. So by default Bush is not a dictator, and the US therefore not an empire. No amount of lying or propaganda is going to change that Zamboe. You can certainly try it but you won't get away with it.

OMG, could you please post things that I don't know, btw elected-democratic US presidents in other administrations as well as *this* one have invaded, corrupted, killed in foreing countries, in case you forgot that, having elected, democratic governments in the US doesn't avoid them to commit those I things I've mentioned before, no matter *what* administration is. Btw, if you would have said I am a Bush/US-fan, it would have been exactly the same as your previous remarks.

[Caid Ivik]

Acronym SPQR was a symbol of Res Publica Liberta, the democratic age of ancient Rome. But you forgot even other things, EdricO:

1.Bush isn't like Caesar, because he was elected, he didn't take his place as a famous military commander.

2.Even if you are 100% true with fact he was set by some evil moneylust corporations, it is hard to believe all Congressmen were set by same too, so we have here an undisputable plurality. Not like in Imperial Rome. Bush can rule - but can't set his horses to Senate like Caligula.

3.Wars have changed. No enslavements, no annihilations, no wars unlimited by counterforce. Regrets for any civilian casualties. Humanitarian aid to "enemies". That's not the old Rome...

[Dude_Doc]

The Germans fought for their fatherland, maybe you didn't heard about the word patriot, I thought Americans are 'patriots' but they only see themselves as patriots and they ignore the other world's cultures.

They are still Nazis. Even, though, many of them fought without knowing what they fought for, in the end, they all lost, and their beliefs and ideals were smashed into pieces. They understood what terror they lived under, what they accepted without knowing and so on. And it seems you don't understand the word patriot. A patriot loves his own country, and is proud of his own country, his people etc. It does not mean they have no respect for other countries.

And what are they supposed to do? Wait for the enemy to capture them and torture them in the most inhuman ways?

Does "POW" and "POW camps" tell you anything?

And slaughtering thousands, no wait, MILLIONS of Vietnamese people is normal?

Most of them died by the wonderful Napalm that you just thrown on them, because they were all armed VC?

I didn't say I supported every nano-move America has done. Every country has had its faults, no one can disagree with that. The Vietnam war for example, was pretty meaningless in my eyes. But hey, look from the bright side: They won.

Now if this isn't a Command and Conquer game, why does Assassins killed important politicians in the world?

What?

I wonder who else attempts to 'americanize' me.

No one is trying to "Americanize" you. We are only trying to tell you the truth about a country that is somewhat a little more powerful than yours (and mine for that matter).

[emprworm]

There are many countries on this planet that really really really SUCK to live in. The US isn't one of them.

You made my day with that. Funny indeed.

so you have an immigration problem? funny indeed.

you have been ripping the US for too long. Now you will feel some of your own sting.

the hard objective truth is that no one flees to your country. Because it sucks. living their just plain sucks. no, instead, they flock here. The Miguel's come here....to the US.

the average person in the US is better off than anyone else in the world. its called per capita income and we have the highest. the average poor person here makes more than your middle class. why? because, again, your country sucks. its government is a hole, and you are living in it. i understand why you hate us. because it is a bitter pill to swallow to know that living here is not as bad as you wish it was. it doesn't suck here. people just hate their own lives and want to blame someone else. if the US took over the world, most countries would improve.

[Dude_Doc]

the average person in the US is better off than anyone else in the world.

Indeed. There is even an example here: The poorest person in the US has more cash than one of our most "famous" rapper group, Latin Kings.

[zamboe]

Thx for reminding my name, I like that :P

so you have an immigration problem? funny indeed.

Immigration problem ?, not really. I have a visa (I think is B1 but I am not 100% sure) to enter USA anytime, and as many times as I want to, as I did many times with complete respect to law, besides I have relatives that are US citizens (I am glad for them, because they live here and not there) which would made me easy to get US citizenship in a relative short time if I'd wanted to, but guess : I don't want to.

you have been ripping the US for too long. Now you will feel some of your own sting.

the hard objective truth is that no one flees to your country. Because it sucks. living their just plain sucks. no, instead, they flock here. The Miguel's come here....to the US.

You have your right to think that here sucks, just don't ask me what living there is like, you'd be mad if I'd tell you. On the contrary I have lived for a considerable ammount of time in the US, and been there at least 10 times more, you on the opposite have never, never been in any part of South America, let alone Chile, therefore you are speaking without personal experience.

In my opinion living here is perfect, we are no target for any terrorist atack, we can fly anywhere with peace, the world don't feel revulsion for us, and lately what I like the most is that we have (as a country) not supported the US at the UN security council, Chile said "NO", which taste much better knowing that a week ago we are the first country in America that signs a Free Trade Agreement with the US, US said "YES" while we said "NO", isn't it perfect ?, living here plain rocks.

the average person in the US is better off than anyone else in the world.

Excellent !

You just gave me my new signature remark !. I'll put it on my signature.

You are good at providing your famous phrases, congratz for that.

its called per capita income and we have the highest. the average poor person here makes more than your middle class. why? because, again, your country sucks. its government is a hole, and you are living in it.

You need some economic classes.

Class 1: US doesn't not have the highest per capita income, I mean the highest is in Europe, come on, take a look at Singapur for example they have a higher per capita income, you should some time go and visit www.worldbank.org.

Class 2: You can't compare per capita income, it doesn't reflect reality, there is a new term you have to learn, is called "buying power", since all countries have a different tax systems the per capita income (after tax) changes substantially, but relax, not even in the "buying power" chart the US is number 1.

emprworm, fyi, my complains are to US governments by the way, just that.

[Sardauker-Kirov]

And the Germans loved their own nation, they knew WHAT they are fighting for. But, they had either no choice or didn't care. It was explained in Discovery channel, that most Germans refused to kill innocent Jews, but they were eventually forced to kill them.

Now what are the Americans fighting for? Freedom? Liberty? Ridding the country of a tiran, which could be done sooner? No, they are fighting for a dumb ass president that is seeking to conquer the world.

And frankly, I don't care if you call me a Nazi, I'm proud of Germany despite it's reputation, so I guess I'm a Asian Nazi with German and Asian blood.

But to be honest, I would rather choose Communism or the Republic system.

Democracy in this world isn't Democracy anymore.

Does "POW" and "POW camps" tell you anything?

I can see you are uneducated in history, you actually want to enter a Russian POW camp?

Most people rather commit suicide, entering a POW camp of the Russians is basicly asking the devil for a long and painful death.

Both sides weren't really fond to eachother and most captured Germans that were captured by Russians died by their hands, while being tortured.

Wake up boy.

I didn't say I supported every nano-move America has done. Every country has had its faults, no one can disagree with that. The Vietnam war for example, was pretty meaningless in my eyes. But hey, look from the bright side: They won.

Thank god for that.

Now if this isn't a Command and Conquer game, why does Assassins killed important politicians in the world?

I am saying, that important people has been killed by the hands, swords, GUNS of Assassins.

Bush can be killed by one at anytime right now, and I'll hope he'll get killed soon.

No one is trying to "Americanize" you. We are only trying to tell you the truth about a country that is somewhat a little more powerful than yours (and mine for that matter).

America is the most strongest nation on earth right now, I admit that.

But America can't take the world on, sure, there will be HUGE numbers of casualties.

Every country is powerful when united, if China didn't bicker and fight about the throne in the early ages. The Mongols could be beaten off then, they exploited the wars of the Chinese people.

But every country had his own Golden age, right now, America's golden age is to be next.

[Caid Ivik]

Germans fought a total imperialistic war for revisioning the Great War and of course for russian "Lebensraum" - that's why Hitler was elected. Germany attacked everyone near its border (excluding Switzerland, but we know why...) who had not accepted their hegemony before. Attacks on Afghanistan and Iraq were "hits back" to organisations, which declared themselves proudly responsible of WTC or Israeli massacres. I think this is why we have states.

About golden eras, please, stop with that determinism. What was a golden age of Rome? Post-carthag Res Publica Liberta, Empire of Traianus, or of Constantinus? Everything is else, and trying to find a common things in history is a modern form of farseering.

[Dude_Doc]

And the Germans loved their own nation, they knew WHAT they are fighting for. But, they had either no choice or didn't care. It was explained in Discovery channel, that most Germans refused to kill innocent Jews, but they were eventually forced to kill them.

Hard decisions indeed. What would you choose?

Now what are the Americans fighting for? Freedom? Liberty? Ridding the country of a tiran, which could be done sooner? No, they are fighting for a dumb ass president that is seeking to conquer the world.

It couldn't have been done earlier. Why? Because they didn't know what Saddam really wanted. As mentioned before: 8 years is what a president get. Try conquering the world in that time, and I'll give you everything I own.

And frankly, I don't care if you call me a Nazi, I'm proud of Germany despite it's reputation, so I guess I'm a Asian Nazi with German and Asian blood.

I don't care who you are, where you are, WHAT you are, and most important: Where you came from. ;D

But to be honest, I would rather choose Communism or the Republic system.

Democracy in this world isn't Democracy anymore.

Just trying to live my life...

[Caid Ivik]

But to be honest, I would rather choose Communism or the Republic system.

Democracy in this world isn't Democracy anymore.

This is a weird sentence. What is "republic" system? Republic means state, ruling institution, opposite of anarchy. Isn't your view of politics based on something like Civilisation or such? There isn't best model, especially because they think communism is based on nationalism...

[Edric O]

Well well well... if it isn't Emprworm, the American Nazi!

Edric has nightmares about the US taking over the world. rofl. That wouldn't be a bad thing either.

I remember someone else who wanted to "share" the wonderful culture and prosperity of his country with the rest of the world by conquering them... a friendly guy called Adolf Hitler. And also Emprworm's mentor, apparently.

the average person in the US is better off than anyone else in the world.

Is it any wonder that the average exploiter is better off than the average slave?

But even so, I doubt that Americans are better off than Europeans. And you know why? Because in Europe, we care for our poor far more than in America. So I'll ask Emprworm to PROVE HIS CLAIMS when he makes them.

because, again, your country sucks. its government is a hole, and you are living in it. [...] if the US took over the world, most countries would improve.

In other words, "America Uber Alles". You know, Emprworm, I'm beginning to think Ace was right: You're not acting like a Roman at all! More like Nazi trash.

I wonder what happened to the old Emprworm, the one that used to make civil remarks and bring logical arguments... It's sad to see him reduced to this.

[Anathema]

Edric, enough with the Nazi calling. It's old ::)

[Dude_Doc]

I remember someone else who wanted to "share" the wonderful culture and prosperity of his country with the rest of the world by conquering them... a friendly guy called Adolf Hitler. And also Emprworm's mentor, apparently.

You are wrong. America includes blacks, whites, Jews, Moslems, latinos, asian and every other "race" there are. They have also all the world's religions. Hitler didn't have any. He only thought about making the world as "white" as possible. And since even you (Edric) like to view this planet "without borders, as it is from space", I don't really see any difference. Remember, even you wanted to "unify" the world.

[Edric O]

Yes, Earthnuker, I know it's old... but what can I do if Emprworm really acts like a Nazi? Alright, maybe "Fascist Imperialist" would be a better term...

Dude_Doc, I have been looking closely at your posts for some time, and it seems to me that you have quite a large inferiority complex. You do nothing but praise the USA as if it's some magical land of peace and plenty that you love from the bottom of your heart (although you've never lived there) and diminish the qualities and achievements of your own country for no apparent reason. You need to start looking at the world with a more objective eye!

As for America including all races and religions: You're right, this is very un-Nazi-like. It's very similar to ANCIENT ROME, however.

[Edric O]

A few more points:

First of all, there is a big difference between UNIFYING the world and CONQUERING it. I want a united world in which all peoples are equal, and everyone is in this union of their own accord.

Caid Ivik: Yes, I know that SPQR was a Republican acronym. As I have said, the USA is still in the Republican phase. There's still a long way to go before the actual Empire. And I never compared Bush to Caesar! I mean, come on, such a comparison would be utterly ridiculous! Caesar was very intelligent and independent. Bush is a mere puppet.

Sardaukar-Kirov: Please don't get so carried away... I know that the USA has done a lot of evil and horrible things, but they have also done a great deal of good (too bad they quit doing that a long time ago). Victory in World War 2 was THE greatest good that America has ever done to Mankind. Sure, it's true that the Russians and the British fought hardest and suffered the most, but without American industrial power behind them, they may well have lost.

And NEVER feel sorry for the Nazis, Sard! Those soulless bastards got exactly what they deserved! Have you ever seen pictures from Nazi concentration camps? There was no humanity left in the monsters who could take such sadistic pleasure in torturing and killing millions of innocents!

[SurlyPIG]

Wow no wonder he blocked you.