An Agnostic is an Atheist

[TMA_1]

I am glad you could say everything I commented on was wrong without explaining why. Ignorant and immature once again.lol

by the way, if you are going to come up with ideas. At least give them some sort of thought behind them. I have never once met an athiest who said that atheism was not a rejection of higher powers. you are left alone, or with a small group of people who are idiots. I cant put it anyother way.

[Acriku]

If you're an agnostic [atheist], Acriku, I'm the Pope! You are the most hardcore anti-religionist that ever posted on the FED2k forums!

Maybe I should bring some of my AN (AtheistNetwork) friends here for a day, we can see how big of a hardcore anti-religionist I am. ;)

By the way, I am agnostic towards a generic god creator. And if you are Pope, congratulations :)

Did this person change his views? No, not even slightly. He just decided to stick a different label on himself. So what difference does it make?

He certainly did. He despised atheists. He realized he was one. His view of atheists has changed. And now he can profess his atheism instead, and read all about it in books such as Atheism: Case Against God or Losing Faith in Faith. It can be a life-changer for some. It's like finding out that one of your ancestors was Scottish, and you suddenly feel like you want to wear a kilt and learn about your Scottish clan.

And btw, how exactly can someone be an agnostic theist?

Oh it's quite easy.

I am an Agnostic Theist. An Agnostic is one that claims that knowledge of god is unknowable. The breakdown of agnosticism comes from http://www.religioustolerance.org/

"George Smith, the author of "Atheism" divides agnostics into two types:

* Agnostic theists: those who believe that a deity probably exists;

* Agnostic atheists: those who believe that it is very improbable that a deity exists. 5

From http://www.crossandflame.com/icebrc.htm

[TMA_1]

well what do you know. acriku didnt respond. hehe

[Acriku]

My apologies TMA, I was replying to Edric and didn't see that you posted. It happened a lot between me and emprworm back in the day.

I am glad you could say everything I commented on was wrong without explaining why. Ignorant and immature once again.lol

Actually, I explained why in my first few posts. There is no need to repeat them when they are right there.

by the way, if you are going to come up with ideas. At least give them some sort of thought behind them. I have never once met an athiest who said that atheism was not a rejection of higher powers. you are left alone, or with a small group of people who are idiots. I cant put it anyother way.

I assure you I did not soley come up with these ideas. George Carlin helped a lot, and a few websites helped as well. But I appreciate your opinions about myself and my belonging to this "idiots" group.

[TMA_1]

glad I could help you with that search.

[nemafakei]

I hate to tell you, but it's all a matter of taxonomy. And for taxonomy's sake keep them separate!

[Acriku]

Separate the agnostics and atheists? What if one is both?

Categories:

Agnostic Atheist

Agnostic Theist

Gnostic Theist

Gnostic Atheist

[nemafakei]

What is there is an Agnostic Agnostic!?

An Atheist is one who believes that it is most likely there is no god, A theist that there is one. Agnosticism is a lack of a judgement on the matter, or view that there is balanced evidence.

[Acriku]

An agnostic atheist can believe that most likely there is no god, but it's impossible to tell for sure, as opposed to it's entirely possible (gnostic) and there is no god.

[TMA_1]

those groups only exist in your opinion. you are extremely arrogant man. whats worse, you will not accept people with other agendas. you are like the typical left wing fighting blindly and ignorantly towards the right wing. The problem is, your agendas are flawed because they dont add up to what the standard philisophical and philiological ideals hold. You think though that your ideas are better though. that maybe you are the one with a brilliant plan. your still a teen with hormones rushing and so your crusade will only make people back off from you. grow up.

[Acriku]

TMA I have told before many times, if all you are going to do is try to insult me and steer it offtopic with your opinions toward myself and not my topic, then don't post here. I already IMed Gob a long time before about the problem, which didn't seem to do anything. I'm asking you to take 3 long breaths before you his reply, and keep your offtopic (redundant) comments to yourself, or IM me with them.

[TMA_1]

dude, I am telling you the truth, I thought you were the one that said if you cant take the heat, than you shouldnt post in the philosophy board. besides, everything you post against christianity is full of degrading and insulting things. I am just giving you the truth. often though the truth pisses people off.

[Acriku]

There is a difference between 'taking the heat' and not following the rules and going all out against a forum member. I can take the heat, but keep it ontopic. If this topic was "Say what you want to Acriku" then I wouldn't mind.

everything you post against christianity is full of degrading and insulting things

Is that going against any member directly? No.

Giving me the truth? Please. It is your opinion, and many men have died to keep it and you should keep it. If you want to further this, I urge you to continue it in the private messaging area. Stay off this topic unless it deals with the topic.

[TMA_1]

no, I will keep on doing as I am doing. I wont speak for jesse, but if he had a problem with this, he would have told me to stop a while ago. You see, you are worse than me, (if I am even bad in the first place) because you keep your snide remarks and insulting words hidden in the agenda of trying to convert people to your anti-religion. you seem to hate it when people hinder that. I hope that your gospel will fail, and that you will finally become an athiest and not an anti-god prophet and priest.

[emprworm]

agnostic = atheist = skeptic = naturalist = "free-thinker" (when in reality they are mostly slaves to christianity) = "soft atheist" = "hard atheist" = ? ? ? ? Who knows how many other little names they slap on themselves?

Point is, you can take them all, round em' up according to similar philosophies, and fully classify them with a high degree of accuracy just like any anthropologist/sociologist can classify any other religious, geo-political ideological group of people. Every one of them.

And, by the way: when atheists yell "HEY! YOU CANT CLASSIFY US!" - that in itself is a point of classification and a trademark of atheism.

[Acriku]

You can classify an atheist, I don't think anyone said you couldn't.

[Egeides]

An atheist can't be agnostic since from the moment he is a-theist he knows something. They are mutually exclusive.

[Acriku]

Egeides, from the moment? You aren't born a theist, you are born without any beliefs, without the belief in a god or gods especially.

Again, an agnostic atheist can find it most probable that a god or gods does not exist, but does not know for sure. It's still possible a god or gods can exist, but one finds it most probable that it doesn't.

[Inoculator9]

I think this is starting to seem kind of stupid. In general, my views correspond closely to Acriku's for everyone's knowledge. But its just a contest now :P Throwing insults around wont settle the argument. I'm sure your friends are very smart people TMA, but I'm sure Acriku has some very smart friends aswell. A lot of smart people have done things that aren't very smart, and most have differing views.

[TMA_1]

thats exactly the point, acriku's anti-god gospel giving with these ideas that only he and a few others share is rediculous. I am just kinda getting tired of hearing these "new" ideas over and over again. good grief.

[Acriku]

Why are you afraid to have your faith questioned, and tortured TMA?(rhetorical question, but of course you will just reply to it) Even Jesus taught to question everything. You think they are rediculous because they go against what you were taught, what you share to the very core as the truth, what you cherish for your fortunates in life. Shake the tree and the monkey comes down to bite you. But if you blow the tree, the monkey will swing to another tree.

[sneezer3]

Even Jesus taught to question everything.

chapter(s)verse(s) where?

[Acriku]

I thought I could find that verse, which I saw in another forum, but until I do just don't mind that part ;)

[nemafakei]

"those groups only exist in your opinion. you are extremely arrogant man. whats worse, you will not accept people with other agendas. you are like the typical left wing fighting blindly and ignorantly towards the right wing. The problem is, your agendas are flawed because they dont add up to what the standard philisophical and philiological ideals hold. You think though that your ideas are better though. that maybe you are the one with a brilliant plan. your still a teen with hormones rushing and so your crusade will only make people back off from you. grow up. "

This post degrades as it goes on. Your first sentence is fine, but thwere's no need to be as rude as you are at the end. Please apologise.

Classification is all very well, but beware to say that all Atheists/Agnostics/whatever fall into given categories; this is entirely presumptuous, unless your categories by definition include all possibilities (ie x and not x for each variant).

Saying that most fall inot one or another category is not unreasonable, but provide more than just assertion.

"agnostic = atheist = skeptic = naturalist = "free-thinker" (when in reality they are mostly slaves to christianity) = "soft atheist" = "hard atheist" = ? ? ? ? Who knows how many other little names they slap on themselves?"

To an atheist, that's about on par with 'Christian = Muslim = Fundamentalist = Satanist = ? ? ? ? Who knows how many different names they like to give themselves' to a religious person.

Again, please do not be so inconsiderate/ignorant/insulting/whatever it is causing you to be thus.

[TMA_1]

(this is if nema is talking to me, you probably are.)

I would agree with you if I was searching for some sort of meaning in acriku's words. sometimes, in fact many times it is great to have posts that push the limit and are somewhat insulting to another group. That kind of stuff keeps us from becoming too p c. Now, remember that since somebody has a right to degrade something, I can degrade that person easily. Is this intelligent to do? Is it nice? well I dont think that is the point. and I personally dont see anything wrong with unleashing yourself on somebody who has never listened once for afull year. I know that you are a mature person nema, not for your wonderful english, or for how adult you act. You are mature because you handle situations put against you or your opinions with a calm nature. This does not make you right though.

I have asked this before nema and you never contributed to the discussion. I asked acriku why he doesnt listen and why he is so hostle? I asked if it was for any purpose. If not there would be no logic behind it. except to preach some twisted anti-gospel.

You seem one sided and always seem to move towards a stance that sticks with your ideals. Instead of trying to be neutral, you need to actually express some of the things you are thinking that are so cryptically typed out.

there. :)