Proof of the Existance of God.

[sneezer3]

Prove to me Conclusively that Christopher Columbus Existed and sailed across the Atlantic Ocean with three ships called the The Nina, Pinta and Santa Maria. And that it wasn't just some idea to control the masses of Indians at the time. And that it wasn't a cover-up which anyone whom said anything against would be Killed. And that there isn't much more logic in this then a Pink Unicorn.

Then i will present Conclusive Evidence God Exists. (i'm not kiding)

Thank you.

-Sneezer3

[Zopwx2]

Why do you feel the need to prove god exists to everyone? If he exists im sure he/she/it doesnt need your help.

[Acriku]

Problems with this thread:

1. Proof is for mathematics, we must discuss evidence, and possibly conclusive evidence.

2. It is obvious that you do not have conclusive evidence for the existence of god, so the exchange is unfair, and fruitless.

The trouble with history, is that it is history. We don't know, and might not ever know, if germanic tribes invaded Rome while it was weakened severly, and destroyed it. Scholars debate on our history everyday, so nothing is accepted as the truth. Take for example Custer's Last Stand. It is a commonly held belief that Custer with his some-200 men held off in one place the indians until they killed them all and overran them. But, with forensical evidence of the bullets discharged from the weapons found in the dig of the site of Custer's last stand, and new technology, it was found that the evidence most likely suggests that Custer was retreating while shooting at the indians, and that the indians themselves had guns, - some better guns than Custer - and there was nothing honorable or noble about his fall. And there was no standing. You see, people exaggerate history to make a hero out of a nobody, and give false facts to deceive others to help their story.

Now, about your proposition, it is impossible to prove conclusively. And you know it, too. But with evidence, we can see what is most likely to have happened. First, the sailors made journals during the voyage and encounter with the indians. This is very good evidence, and gives a good description about what happened. Columbus himself made diaries, about the events that happened. So, with this evidence in mind (and probably more evidence, however I do not remember them) it is reasonable that Columbus did make the voyage, find indians, kill some, etc. Perhaps some details of the story are exaggerated, or just plain wrong, I wouldn't think that there wouldn't be, but that's what we do, as human beings.

I hope this clears a lot of things up.

[SurlyPIG]

Why do you feel the need to prove god exists to everyone? If he exists im sure he/she/it doesnt need your help.

^I like him.^

[sneezer3]

2. It is obvious that you do not have conclusive evidence for the existence of god,

Your assumpions are irrelvent about what evidence i have.

Now, about your proposition, it is impossible to prove conclusively. And you know it, too.

Ok fair enough. Then you agree it is almost impossable to prove conclusively that God exists as some ahiests demands, fair enough. here is evidence(notice i din't say conclusive evidence.)

What about pie?(No i'm not talking about that stuff in your freezer ;D) The Calculation of the distance between a circle. Where is it stored? It has been mathimaticly proven it goes on to infinty. A person could get it half way across the earth. There is still no refute to the Earths Rotation Saturn's rings and the second law of thermodynamics.

if that is unsuffent then so is the evidence of Christopher Columbus

But with evidence, we can see what is most likely to have happened. First, the sailors made journals during the voyage and encounter with the indians. This is very good evidence, and gives a good description about what happened. Columbus himself made diaries, about the events that happened. So, with this evidence in mind (and probably more evidence, however I do not remember them) it is reasonable that Columbus did make the voyage, find indians, kill some, etc. Perhaps some details of the story are exaggerated, or just plain wrong, I wouldn't think that there wouldn't be, but that's what we do, as human beings.

Nevertheless there is not conclusive evidence for this. and no even much evidence really.

[Acriku]

Your assumpions are irrelvent about what evidence i have.

Of course, but they are still correct.

Ok fair enough. Then you agree it is almost impossable to prove conclusively that God exists as some ahiests demands, fair enough. here is evidence(notice i din't say conclusive evidence.)

An atheist, or rather myself, demand evidence, period. Besides the OT and NT, there is no indication of this god. And the bible was written by different people, so it hardly counts as evidence.

What about pie?(No i'm not talking about that stuff in your freezer ) The Calculation of the distance between a circle. Where is it stored? It has been mathimaticly proven it goes on to infinty. A person could get it half way across the earth. There is still no refute to the Earths Rotation Saturn's rings and the second law of thermodynamics.

Pi is the ratio of the circumference of a circle to its diameter, not the distance between a circle. I don't get the rest of this quote.

if that is unsuffent then so is the evidence of Christopher Columbus

Wrong. We have diaries and journals, which are evidences (not conclusive) to support Columbus and his voyage and encounter with the indians. Pi is not evidence to support a god. (Note: Even the bible got pi wrong.)

Nevertheless there is not conclusive evidence for this. and no even much evidence really.

Of course it isn't conclusive, when did I say it was? But it is still very good evidence to support him, his voyage, and his encounter. There enough evidence to say he did, until there arrives a reason not to say he did (contradictory evidence, and refuted evidence, for examples).

[Egeides]

Thus your thing with Columbus is, you believe, unprovable. So is God then?

If it cannot be proven, it cannot be proven, even if it'd mean we couldn't be able to prove a single thing.

[Acriku]

Again, proof is for mathematics. We must deal with evidence.

There is good evidence that Columbus actually did sail the voyage, and encounter the indians, and as long as there isn't any contradictory or refuted evidence there is no reason to think he didn't. But, it isn't truth - it is just accepted as most likely.