TMA_1 Posted March 31, 2003 Share Posted March 31, 2003 I have kinda realized (even though it is obviously stated in the books) how massive and deep reaching the destruction of spice would have been if paul had given the command to mix the changed waters with the pure spice. Space travel, economic desaster, monopoly destruction. All of it is just a breath of the whole spirit of desolation. The greatest leveler would have been the deaths from spice withdrawls. Cultures can always rebuild themselves, economies will regrow, but destruction of man on such a scale would be horrible. Not only would billions upon billions of common citizens and nobles alike die and go mad, but even Paul and his fremen would sacrifice themselves. I never realized how suicidal that was until now. I know it sounds dumb, but it was just one of those times where you go "whoa". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mahdi Posted March 31, 2003 Share Posted March 31, 2003 death-wise, Paul's Jihad probably took out as many as the spice-withdrawel would have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMA_1 Posted March 31, 2003 Author Share Posted March 31, 2003 hmm I disagree with you there. something like 60 billion were killed in total. Thats a hell of a lot, but thousands of planets are inhabited and with populations going at least 5 or so million. Just add those large population planets and you have a huge amount of people. though 60 million is a huge chunk of lives and a horrible waste of good people, the spice wass used by a majority of the population. I believe more so than those killed in the jihad. That is just my opinion. YOu may be right, but even so, the jihad equals in destruction to what the spice withdrawls would have caused. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mahdi Posted March 31, 2003 Share Posted March 31, 2003 Due tot he spice being produced only on one planet, and teh guild using an incredible amount of it, and the extreme cost of it, I doubt most users of spice would be anything other than ocasoinal users, and therefore not addicted. Even people who lived on Dune, as long as they could get off-world supplies, did not get addicted to the spice. Look at Gurney and the smugglers.Using the fact that you need large amounts of the spice to get addicted, the amount needed to get over 60 billion people addicted would be practically impossible to get from one planet. Plus, remember how surprised Jessica was when she learned the spice was addicted? Until Paul took over, no one kenw the spice was addictive, besides the guild and fremen, because no one could afford enough of it to become addicted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMA_1 Posted March 31, 2003 Author Share Posted March 31, 2003 whoa, have to rethink all of this maybe. thanks mahdi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanguard3000 Posted March 31, 2003 Share Posted March 31, 2003 One of the things that amazed me was that the main people who would die as a result of the destruction of the Spice were the Fremen. Imagine being so devoted to a leader that you were willing to bargain with the lives of your entire nation. It really shows you how much they trusted/revered/feared Paul. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor Harkonnen Posted April 1, 2003 Share Posted April 1, 2003 but if the spice was destroyed there would be no contact between the different planets, right? can the frigate travel long distances in space?wouldn't the humans be forced to use the same space technology as they used during the Butlerian Jihad? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexander_Ordos Posted April 1, 2003 Share Posted April 1, 2003 In BJ, they have a fair interstellar community without the Guild :- Surely the whole order of BG'd die out and the Guild's navigators but in fact, Mahdi's right, with the price and amounts of spice, there'd be only numerous people without the Fremen, Bg's and the Guild that're adicted :- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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