Why are america-haters all pro-palestine?

[emprworm]

emprworm: What does "civilians" mean for you?... The deaths I put is about civilians. What is done is against civilians. Read twice.

Oh and...

You're a LIAR, LIAR, LIAR...

You can yell this, it wont change its validity.

PS: About assuming it is not credible, well you still didn't went against it.

you are right...me yelling LIAR will not stop you from telling lies. But it might cause some people to understand that you are telling them.

Israeli soldiers do not target and kill women, children, elderly and handicapped. Palestinians have the unique disctinction.

When some atrocities occurs, Palestinians are placed under harsh curfew, no matter who is responsible

OOOOH POOR LITTLE PALESTINIANS HAVE A CURFEW! I GUESS THAT MEANS ITS TIME TO BLOW UP A DAY CARE CENTER. CHILDREN DIE FIRST....THEN WOMEN...DOCTORS...AND MAKE SURE YOU KILL ALL THE PATIENTS.

[Egeides]

Actually, curfews are applied only to them and it may mean to not get out for days, WITH NO VALUABLE REASON. Two mothers were reported to see their infant die in their hands because can't go to hospital (soldiers blocked). Children also have no education cuz of this. Anyway, you only put emotions in your stuff "Ohh, pooor blahblah" and insult your detractors so you may argue alone. If I answer you, I guess it was for others.

How come stopping terrorists makes Israel kill more people than terrorist killed anyway...

[lowzeewee]

I think WR is trying to say that you can't say all palastinian people are terrorists. And to rebel against something can be in many different forms, even without being a terrorist (meaning killing innocent people)..

if every palestinian is terrorist,then why are some pple still in their homes?Not joining the border battle?

So it comes to say that not all the thousands-of-years of history Iraqis are actually so-called evil people by the 200-300 year culture[who are actually not the actual inhabitants] american people.

[Egeides]

About hospitals... I heard about "hospitals" (room serving as such) in which doctors (the Libanese people I know are doctors) were for the majority not able to enter in because they blew up. And there were children, women and so on.

[SurlyPIG]

Egeides we're looking for proof. I'm not saying the Israeli soldiers are all saints but this is an enormous accusation you're making at them. One I've never heard of. Obviously one emp has never heard of. I don't want any more "US did this, Israel did this" or "Palestine say Israel did this". I want to see nothing less than the actual source of where you're getting this. A news story, some documents, anything credible.

Until you can do that, your ludicrous accusation of calling the Israeli military a terrorist group is worthless.

[Egeides]

Again ACE, the best I've written yet is this (following) and the restt is found in Noam Chomsky's book (Chomsky is a dissent leader well known for his work in linguistics and his conference frenzy you could find in Kazaa or any P2P program). You may read Fateful Triangle (565p.) concerning Israel but he wrote ALOT about US policies (some books are simply 100-200 pages, but he also wrote 10 pages stuff, like on terrorism). From what I know, he got ton of good comments for his sources and so on. Here's what I wrote yet (again):

Until now:

- They were furnishing weapons to dictatorships and passing weapons USA was giving (Nicaragua, Salvadore, Africa...).

- It annexed alot of Palestine.

- Amnesty International "estimates 1600 Palestinians routinely arrested by Israeli military forces every year, half "systematically tortured" " with Supreme court approval (saying they are too evil, it's the only way).

- When some atrocities occurs, Palestinians are placed under harsh curfew, no matter who is responsible (but not Israelites). Notice that kids don't go to school often and now have a scholarship problem: they were using Internet to go to a virtual school but without justification, Israel went to Internet furnisher and bombed it

- " Razing Palestinian houses in the search for "Jewish archeological remains" and establishing "nature reserves", later to be converted to Jewish housing "

- Imprisonment without charge

- Israel military operations aren't restricted to the "security zone"

- Why does such a little country have a military that is bigger than Russia?... Because it uses it. It also has bio/chemical and didn't signed the Nuclear Non-proliferation treaty

- "illegal use of weapons occasionally elicits a reprimand or temporary cut-off of shipments when the consequences receive too much publicity"

- The kamikaze may terrorize, they use such methods because they don't have same weapons: you kill lot better with organized weaponry like Israel. And they killed alot more also. Not counting everything they destroyed...

I can continue the list like this for a long time since I just passed the first 50 pages of a book that has 565.

Source: Most of it comes from Fateful Triangle, Noam Chomsky. Espescially the preface. What was under "" is direct quote.

My mouth-to-mouth stuff wasn't meant to be any proof.

[SurlyPIG]

I don't give a rat's arse what Noam Chomsky says about Israel and Palestine. For all YOU know he might have printed everything he could get his hands on, including the testimony of any crazy hate-filled Palestinian would-be terrorist. For all I know Noam Chomsky is on the same level as Michael Moore.

[Egeides]

And to evaluate an author, did you actually read his stuff? If all you know is what he's talking about and don't know his arguments and sources... so do you actually know what he actually said?

[emprworm]

Again ACE, the best I've written yet is this (following) and the restt is found in Noam Chomsky's book (Chomsky is a dissent leader well known for his work in linguistics and his conference frenzy you could find in Kazaa or any P2P program). You may read Fateful Triangle (565p.) concerning Israel but he wrote ALOT about US policies (some books are simply 100-200 pages, but he also wrote 10 pages stuff, like on terrorism). From what I know, he got ton of good comments for his sources and so on. Here's what I wrote yet (again):

Until now:

- They were furnishing weapons to dictatorships and passing weapons USA was giving (Nicaragua, Salvadore, Africa...).

- It annexed alot of Palestine.

- Amnesty International "estimates 1600 Palestinians routinely arrested by Israeli military forces every year, half "systematically tortured" " with Supreme court approval (saying they are too evil, it's the only way).

- When some atrocities occurs, Palestinians are placed under harsh curfew, no matter who is responsible (but not Israelites). Notice that kids don't go to school often and now have a scholarship problem: they were using Internet to go to a virtual school but without justification, Israel went to Internet furnisher and bombed it

- " Razing Palestinian houses in the search for "Jewish archeological remains" and establishing "nature reserves", later to be converted to Jewish housing "

- Imprisonment without charge

- Israel military operations aren't restricted to the "security zone"

- Why does such a little country have a military that is bigger than Russia?... Because it uses it. It also has bio/chemical and didn't signed the Nuclear Non-proliferation treaty

- "illegal use of weapons occasionally elicits a reprimand or temporary cut-off of shipments when the consequences receive too much publicity"

- The kamikaze may terrorize, they use such methods because they don't have same weapons: you kill lot better with organized weaponry like Israel. And they killed alot more also. Not counting everything they destroyed...

I can continue the list like this for a long time since I just passed the first 50 pages of a book that has 565.

Source: Most of it comes from Fateful Triangle, Noam Chomsky. Espescially the preface. What was under "" is direct quote.

My mouth-to-mouth stuff wasn't meant to be any proof.

its a bunch of CRAP!

Here is what this person who LIED said originally:

<QUOTE BY EGEIDES>

"This happens to many Israelites. So how do they cure their temper? By killing children first, then women, then the elderly and handicapped.

And what about the other non-terrorist israelites and white anglo-saaxons that support Israel?

Are they on a personal campaign to end the killing of women and children by Israelites? NO

Do they have sympathy and "understanding" for how a teenager could be helplessly "driven" to unload a charger load on kids? YES

Do they see the fact that a human being could shoot, bomb, etc. and take as many women and children with him is a serious problem? I DONT KNOW

Do they see the solution to the fact that a human being could gun and bomb and take as many women and children with him is to deal with the Israelites? NO

But how is dealing with Palestine going to change the hearts of people who already have such a low view of human life that killing truck loads of women and children no longer even bother them? IT WONT

</END QUOTE>

When I see LIES like this I expose them for what they are. I asked this person who lied to produce some sort of proof of these accusations that Israelies are targetting women and children: what does he do?

He talks about curfews!!!

FREAKING CURFEWS!!!

ROFL

Unbelievable.

First he accuses Israeli soldiers of targeting and killing truck loads of women and children, and when asked to back up that bold faced LIE, he talks about the poor little palestinians having curfews. Awwwww...thats such a human atrocity!!! For every innocent Palestinian who has a curfew....kill 10 children and their mothers!! LET JUSTICE AND FAIRNESS FLOW! THOSE ISRAELI TERRORISTS PUTTING CURFEWS ON PEOPLE! BUNCH OF BABY KILLERS!

*rolls eyes*

[Egeides]

I also said that more CIVILIANS were killed by Israelites' soldiers. You seem to see only curfews when there are deads and torture next to it. Now, you argue alone. Repeating yourself wont make you true nor polite. You never actually even read one dissident book maybe.

[emprworm]

I also said that more CIVILIANS were killed by Israelites' soldiers. You seem to see only curfews when there are deads and torture next to it. Now, you argue alone. Repeating yourself wont make you true nor polite. You never actually even read one dissident book maybe.

well duh! Lets think for a moment shall we:

we have 2 armies.

ARMY A: scattered, disorganized mobs of freedom fighters armed with molitov cocktails, rocks, old guns and garage made explosive

ARMY B: Tanks, aircraft, superior firepower and advanced weaponry. Organized.

Now, question for you:

Q: how STUPID do you have to be in ARMY A to actually fight against ARMY B?

A: As stupid as a palestinian freedom fighter.

Q: When stupid people in ARMY A actually fight against ARMY B....who will suffer the most casualties?

A: Army A

Q: Whos fault is it when ARMY A suffers more casualties?

A: Army A for being stupid enough to fight against tanks.....

O BUT WAIT! THEY DONT FIGHT AGAINST TANKS!!

THEY KILL CHILDREN, WOMEN, ELDERDY, AND DISABLED

Q: which religion: Islam or Judaism has specifically has scriptures that say "Do not make friends with (the other guy"?

A: ISLAM

"Do not take the Jews and Christians for friends"

(Surah 5:51)

Q: what does Islam say that a holy follower is authorized to do against those infidel kaffir?

A: Kill them.

"I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

(Surah 8:12)

"fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness"

(Surah 9:123)

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"fight those who do not believe in Allah"

(Surah 9:29)

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"and fight them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah"

(Surah 8:39)

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"fight them; Allah will punish them by your hands and bring them to disgrace"

(Surah 9:14)

Q: If it wasn't for the US, which country would be obliterated, and its people victims of Genocide?

A: Israel

Q: Of all the countries in the middle east, which country is hated more than any other country?

A: Israel

Q: Of the two religions: Judaism, Islam- which one tolerates freedom of worship?

A: JUDAISM

Q: of 2 governments: Israeli, Palestinian, which one allows someone to be a public atheist?

A: ISRAELI

Q: Of 2 governments: Israeli, Islamic, which one has blasphemy laws that will allow the death penalty against a blasphemer of Muhammad?

A: ISLAMIC

Q: Why does Egeides lie?

A: I have no idea, but it is disgraceful

[nampigai]

Q: how STUPID do you have to be in ARMY A to actually fight against ARMY B?

A: As stupid as a palestinian freedom fighter

Not that actually felt like answering but what about say in Iraq if the Shia moslems and the Kurds would revolt, they shure must be stupid, and it's surely their own fault that they were gassed and slaughtered.

If another country was to take over Denmark I would fight to the death

[Dude_Doc]

If Sweden invaded Denmark, I would be on your side :) .

[lowzeewee]

If Sweden invaded Denmark, I would be on your side :) .

I will attack both sides by MYSELF.

[emprworm]

Q: how STUPID do you have to be in ARMY A to actually fight against ARMY B?

A: As stupid as a palestinian freedom fighter

Not that actually felt like answering but what about say in Iraq if the Shia moslems and the Kurds would revolt, they shure must be stupid, and it's surely their own fault that they were gassed and slaughtered.

If another country was to take over Denmark I would fight to the death

you would fight to the death if Germany annexed denmark? Why? Now, if Germany is being led by a tyrant that wants to put to death everyone in Denmark, then I can understand. but say Germany is just going to occupy Denmark (like CHina occupies Tibet) and has no desire to kill anyone...simply to govern.

and assume that Denmark has no military ability to resist and the rest of the world will not help it.

You would die for such a silly cause? It's not like your life is in danger. WHy not just accept German government (its not all that bad)...or just leave?

but stil, if you insist on dying for that, then at least attack the German military....if you start targetting women, children, elderly, handicapped....then we have some serious problems.

[nampigai]

They didn't want to kill us under the second ww either, nor did they want to kill every norwegian, they just wanted to govern us. You talk about patriotrism and then you talk this, sometimes I really don't get you. If another man that was bigger than me told me to do something because he thought it would be best for me, I would "rebel". And I sure in hell wouldn't leave because some idiots told me that now they was in control.

[emprworm]

They didn't want to kill us under the second ww either, nor did they want to kill every norwegian, they just wanted to govern us. You talk about patriotrism and then you talk this, sometimes I really don't get you. If another man that was bigger than me told me to do something because he thought it would be best for me, I would "rebel". And I sure in hell wouldn't leave because some idiots told me that now they was in control.

but they wanted to kill every Jew. Anyone who wants to "govern" and commit genocide and promote the superior race SHOULD be resisted to death at all costs.

Again, your comparisons of Nazi Germany to Israel are despicable. Hang your head in shame because those comparisons are outrageous.

Palestinians resist for stupid reasons. Israel is not out to kill them, nor do they promote a "superior race". The truth is that Islam has NO TOLERANCE for Jews...not vice versa. You have no idea what Islam teaches. Your analogies are absurd.

[nampigai]

the hell I'll hang my head in shame I made no such comparisons.

Well you are obviously so wise on the midle east conflict, we just need to kill all moslems. I have friends that are moslems I don't know with you, I bet you'ld feel the same way as you do now, if you were palestinian.

As for the tolerance I have a hard time finding it anywhere down there.

[emprworm]

the hell I'll hang my head in shame I made no such comparisons.

Well you are obviously so wise on the midle east conflict, we just need to kill all moslems. I have friends that are moslems I don't know with you, I bet you'ld feel the same way as you do now, if you were palestinian.

As for the tolerance I have a hard time finding it anywhere down there.

yes, there is no tolerance in Muslim nations. I dont care if you have Muslim friends, that does not change the truth that Muslim nations are the most intolerant brutal nations on the planet.

"Muhammad is an infidel!"- if I uttered that statement on the streets of Palestine, I could be legally killed....but I'd probably just be mob killed.

"Jehovah does not exist!" - if a palestinian uttered that statement in Israel nothing would happen. No crime committed.

You defend the most hateful religion on the planet and dare compare Israel to Nazi Germany. You then, in blatant stubborness refuse to be ashamed for such immoral and outrageous comparisons....which lead me to conclude you are either a hateful, intolerant man, or you are just an ignorant man. I give you the benefit of the doubt and just conclude you are ignorant.

pick up a Qu'ran and read it (I have). STudy the history of Islam and their common laws. Maybe you will begin to realize that those muslims you defend would KILL YOU if you stood on their soil with your white skin and didn't bow your head 5 times a day facing Mecca. And if you weren't killed, you would be imprisoned.

Q: How many synagogues will you find in Saudi Arabia?

A: ZERO

Q: How many Mosques will you find in Israel?

A: Dozens

its pretty obvious who is more tolerant.

[nampigai]

This may come as a surprise for you but there are Christians in Turkey, Jordan ,Egypt, Syria, Lebanon even Iraq does. Iran has small groups of Jewish and Christians too. And not all palestinians are moslems there are christians too.

You just say what ever you want about me emprwrom cause frankly I don't give a shit anymore.

[Edric O]

Thank you for showing us all your fine example of Christian "love", Emprworm... If you lived 500 years ago in Spain, you would no doubt have the honour of being Grand Inquisitor, punishing the saracen heretics who dare believe in such an evil religion as Islam.

For your information, there are strong Christian communities in almost all Arab countries (the only exceptions are fundamentalist regimes like Saudi Arabia). Even in IRAQ, Christians are NOT being discriminated against.

[Miles]

Thank you for showing us all your fine example of Christian "love", Emprworm... If you lived 500 years ago in Spain, you would no doubt have the honour of being Grand Inquisitor, punishing the saracen heretics who dare believe in such an evil religion as Islam.

For your information, there are strong Christian communities in almost all Arab countries (the only exceptions are fundamentalist regimes like Saudi Arabia). Even in IRAQ, Christians are NOT being discriminated against.

Iraq is not a good example, because it is a secular state. People don't get killed there for disbelieving in Islam, they get tortured for any negative statement towards Saddam and his regime.

[Warlord Ripskar]

Worm obviously lacks practical experience and hopefully his thoughts will be tamed once he starts shaving. He has obviously never visited a developing country, nor seen what sort of conditions people in other parts of the world live under.

Ultimately what is required is a show of justice to supplant the feelings of injustice generated by the course which events here have so far followed.

As in Ulster being heavy handed on one group inevitably causes elements within that group to rise up and attack the opposing group indiscriminately in retaliation. This causes a similar reaction in the opposing group which sets off a chain reaction of tit for tat killing.

What is required to quell this situation issome publicly administered rough justice on the opposing side to calm the masses and meaningful consessions on both sides. Sharon probably knows this and has made some moves in this direction but is unable to carry through the full effect of this as his Likud party's constituency lies amongst the settler communities. Thus in order for the peace process to take the next step will require the Likud party to lose its current position. Separation of the two groups will achieve little as ignorance as amply demonstrated by certain members of this forum will increase with restircted real world contact.

Isreal's ultimate destiny lies as a member of the Arab League and encouraging them to look back to the west for support will only prolong their suffering and bloodshed as they will delay taking the nessecary steps to secure their own futre and that of the region as a whole.

When in Rome do as the Romans do.

Complex problems have simple, easy to understand wrong answers.

[Dude_Doc]

For your information, there are strong Christian communities in almost all Arab countries (the only exceptions are fundamentalist regimes like Saudi Arabia). Even in IRAQ, Christians are NOT being discriminated against.

That's not the point. The point is that they hate Jews. The Jews may go against one nation, but do they bother other arab-nations? No, they don't. Still, the arabs put useless hate against people they don't even know.

[Egeides]

First, it should be mentioned that it's not "the" jews but "some" jews", and same on Arab side. The reason why Arabs go against Jews is Israel: for them it may not be about attacking someone they know or not but simply attacking someone that goes against them.