Why are america-haters all pro-palestine?

[emprworm]

However if I were placed under the conditions of the Palestinians I would rebel. I would not submit to what they are expected to submit to, and I would not expect them to.

Rebel by killing people? Is that how you rebel against something? So you don't submit and then go bomb a bus full of school children....wow. so honorable. if you want to see someone "gloss over" human atrocities...go back and read your post.

o and let me guess: you don't like Tony Blair....am I right?

[nampigai]

emprworm go over it one more time, and state where he says he wants to do suicede bombing and kill innocents, he says he would rebel, atleast that's how I read it.

[emprworm]

emprworm go over it one more time, and state where he says he wants to do suicede bombing and kill innocents, he says he would rebel, atleast that's how I read it.

and he glossed over what palestinian "rebels" are doing. because that is what palestinian rebels are doing: killing innocent people. He said he didn't like Palestinian terrorism....

HOWEVER (his term)...

HE WOULD REBEL TOO.

so why don YOU go back and read it again Nam. He sympathized with evil palestinian kid killers.

[nampigai]

how do you know that is what he ment? I detest the suicede bombings as well, however I understand why they are acting the way they are. But yes you've allready told us that they should just bow to the overlord and learn to live like trash cause they are the weakest.

[emprworm]

how do you know that is what he ment? I detest the suicede bombings as well, however I understand why they are acting the way they are. But yes you've allready told us that they should just bow to the overlord and learn to live like trash cause they are the weakest.

exactly my point.

"I detest suicide bombings as well, HOWEVER....."

if you truly detested them, there would be NO HOWEVER.

Bus loads of children who have nothing to do with the war being killed...and you sypmathize with this evil despicable villany. What is wrong with people in this world? People who tolerate and sympathize with blowing up a bus load of kids, or bombing an eatery in a shopping mall filled with young teenagers.

THERE IS NO HOWEVER ABOUT IT. IT IS ABBHORENT.

P E R I O D

palestinian sympathizers' morals are out of whack

[emprworm]

they should just bow to the overlord and learn to live like trash cause they are the weakest.

NO THEY SHOULD BLOW UP BUS LOADS OF KIDS AND KILL AS MANY INNOCENT WOMEN AND CHILDREN AS POSSIBLE! IF THOSE BIG BAD ISRAELI SOLDIERS ARE GONNA SETTLE THEIR LAND AND TAKE THEM DOWN, THEN THEY SHOULD TAKE DOWN AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE! CHILDREN FIRST....THEN WOMEN...THEN THE HANDICAPPED AND ELDERLY.

[Warlord Ripskar]

Worm, you live in a country which was created by revolt, or don't you believe in the declaration of independence. Do I take it you would rather live in a sewer than stand up for what you believe in?

Somehow I don't think your the type you would quietly rot. You assume that I would use the the method of terrorism, do you believe that there is no other way?

Do you believe that every group involved in this matter is conducting terrorist activities?

Suicide is not the method I would choose, Terrorism is not the method which I would resort to. As I stated I detest terrorism, I have been caught in an IRA bomb scare, I know what it is like trying to find members of my family whilst being herded by the police away from a suspected bomb. I saw the centre of Manchester after the IRA bombed it. I do not support terrorists, I do not support acts of terrorism.

[emprworm]

Worm, you live in a country which was created by revolt, or don't you believe in the declaration of independence.

lol. EVERY country has been formed through either revolutions or conquest. Welcome to planet earth (I take it you have lived here all your life)

Do I take it you would rather live in a sewer than stand up for what you believe in?

i believe that killing children first, then women, then the handicapped and elderly is despicable. ANd that any civilized nation would have a zero tolerance and put an end to that kind of barbarism as soon as possible.

Somehow I don't think your the type you would quietly rot.

no one has to quiety rot. Being loud and killing children first, then women, then the handicapped and elderly are two entirely different propositions. Surely you have the moral capacity to understand the difference?

You assume that I would use the the method of terrorism, do you believe that there is no other way?

All governments on earth were formed through revolt and/or conquest. It is NORMAL.

in ALL cases in history, the weaker party succumbs. Thats just how it goes. The palestinians are not looking in the face of Genocide like the Jews under Hitler. They are simply looking at rule by Israelies. They have the freedom to live under Israeli law or leave. But instead they choose to slaughter children first, then women, then the handicapped and elderly.

If they want to fight to the death for their land, then they should do so....but do it against Israeli military, not against women and children. What a bunch of despicable cowards.

Do you believe that every group involved in this matter is conducting terrorist activities?

no, but those who are not involved in terrorists activities (like you and Nam) sure seem to sympathize with those that are.

Suicide is not the method I would choose, Terrorism is not the method which I would resort to.

HEre is what I would choose: Utter condemnation of palestinians that kill women and children. Not just vocal condemnation, but the active support of Israeli efforts to eliminate those that practice this and enforce justice. Do you choose that route?

As I stated I detest terrorism, I have been caught in an IRA bomb scare, I know what it is like trying to find members of my family whilst being herded by the police away from a suspected bomb. I saw the centre of Manchester after the IRA bombed it. I do not support terrorists, I do not support acts of terrorism.

this contradicts your voice of sympathy for Palestinian child killers

[Acriku]

A few days ago another suicidal bomber went to the side of a cafe, and blew himself up. Also, a suicidal bomber blew himself up killing US soldiers. It's fucking stupid, and disgusting. People who resort to killing themselves just to kill others are tactically depleted. I mean come on, come up with something inventive, or creative. But on soldiers, not civilians. War must only conscern soldiers.

[Warlord Ripskar]

Yet again the tyrannicalmaggot seems to living in his own private universe where everything is black and white.

I said, "I support the Palestinians" not the Terrorists or are you so naive as to believe that all palestinians are terrorists?

[Acriku]

When you say that in the situation of the palestines you would rebel as well, it leads one to infer that you mean the terrorism the Palestines use to rebel.

[Warlord Ripskar]

As stated there are more ways to rebel than to commit acts of terrorism. This is not a black and white situation, there are dozens perhaps hundreds of groups involved. The Isrealis have commited acts of terrorism do you condone the bombing of the King David Hotel?

Isreal was created in part by terrorists and murderers, should I assume that you support the slaughter of people as long as it is for the cause of Isreal?

[Nyarlathotep]

I think WR is trying to say that you can't say all palastinian people are terrorists. And to rebel against something can be in many different forms, even without being a terrorist (meaning killing innocent people)..

[emprworm]

Yet again the tyrannicalmaggot seems to living in his own private universe where everything is black and white.

I said, "I support the Palestinians" not the Terrorists or are you so naive as to believe that all palestinians are terrorists?

lol! Resorting to name calling eh?

i understand. it happens when the pressure begins to boil, and the fists start clenching.

This happens to many Palestinians. So how do they cure their temper? By killing children first, then women, then the elderly and handicapped.

And what about the other non-terrorist palestinians and white anglo-saaxons that support palestine?

Are they on a personal campaign to end the killing of women and children by palestinians? NO

Do they have sympathy and "understanding" for how a teenager could be helplessly "driven" to bomb a truck load of kids? YES

Do they see the fact that a human being could blow himself up and take as many women and children with him is a serious problem? I DONT KNOW

Do they see the solution to the fact that a human being could blow himself up and take as many women and children with him is to deal with the Palestinians? NO

Then what do these pro-palestinians think is the solution? DEAL WITH ISRAEL.

But how is dealing with Israel going to change the hearts of people who already have such a low view of human life that killing truck loads of women and children no longer even bother them? IT WONT

[Egeides]

Yet again the worm seems to living in his own private universe where everything is black and white.

I said, "I support the Israelites" not the Terrorists or are you so naive as to believe that all Israelites are terrorists?

lol! Resorting to name calling eh?

i understand. it happens when the pressure begins to boil, and the fists start clenching.

This happens to many Israelites. So how do they cure their temper? By killing children first, then women, then the elderly and handicapped.

And what about the other non-terrorist israelites and white anglo-saaxons that support Israel?

Are they on a personal campaign to end the killing of women and children by Israelites? NO

Do they have sympathy and "understanding" for how a teenager could be helplessly "driven" to unload a charger load on kids? YES

Do they see the fact that a human being could shoot, bomb, etc. and take as many women and children with him is a serious problem? I DONT KNOW

Do they see the solution to the fact that a human being could gun and bomb and take as many women and children with him is to deal with the Israelites? NO

Then what do these pro-Israel think is the solution? DEAL WITH PALESTINE.

But how is dealing with Palestine going to change the hearts of people who already have such a low view of human life that killing truck loads of women and children no longer even bother them? IT WONT

This was to show the totology of these writings. Circular. Thanks.

PS: Besides, more civilians were killed on Palestine side, just differently. Alot of other things were done to them also.

[emprworm]

the difference between my post and yours Egeides :

yours are lies.

[Gobalopper]

There is freedom of religion in Israel but try going into the West Bank or Gaza Strip and doing the same. The people representing the Palenstinian cause are terrorists, why do we trusts terrorists again?

[Dude_Doc]

Didn't all religions forbit suicide? Don't you go to hell if you kill yourself? God doesn't want to see people killing people. If you believe, then you know that what you do in life must be good. You must respect other people. The world was created without borders, as we see it from space (you know, there are no red lines and black names on the continents :) ).

No religion has any right to say that "killing is for God". Any religion that believes blowing up children and women, in the name of God, is false, and will always be.

Yes, what Palestinian terrorists do now is very low. All they need is belief in God. Why dedicate your life to killing people, yourself, and even "killing" your loved ones? Who knows how much potential a terrorist has? What if the guy who blew up the cafeteria really was a genious? Maybe in 10 years, AIDS would be history thanks to him! There is soo much to do in this world than endless killing.

[Egeides]

the difference between my post and yours Egeides :

yours are lies.

Demonstrate this, because I would say same of yours. Just said like this, it sadly form a truism.

[Egeides]

There is freedom of religion in Israel but try going into the West Bank or Gaza Strip and doing the same. The people representing the Palenstinian cause are terrorists, why do we trusts terrorists again?

Because I believe acts of terror are on both sides. The Palestinian side is unsecure not because of terrorists (it's Israel that gets this plague) but because of Israeli soldiers. Some civilians were found with their fingers cut without apparent reasons, bodies are on the road in some places, etc.

[SurlyPIG]

Rather, it's a game of 'pick-the-one-thats-not-a-US-ally' for many.

I'm definately saying Israel is without its fallings, but try to understand that what the AVERAGE Palestinian is a drop of water in the ocean of misery compared to what the Jewish people went through in WWII. Im not trying to justify it or anything but try to understand Israel's position.

In WWII, the Jews were passive. Look what happened to them. Absolute inhumane slavery and genocide. Perhaps the worst the world has seen on such a large scale. Most returned to Israel. Many promised themselves, never again. Never again. Now, you won't find a nation as stubborn as Israel. In the face of the slaughter of six million people, I think that stubborness is, at most times, not only understandable but justified.

[emprworm]

the difference between my post and yours Egeides :

yours are lies.

Demonstrate this, because I would say same of yours. Just said like this, it sadly form a truism.

no, it is actually a total fabrication. a simpler word for it is LIE.

I do not demonstrate a LIE....you need to demonstrate the TRUTH. When someone accuses someone of MURDER....it is not up to the accused to prove his innocence...it is up to the accuser to prove the accusations. You are making a claim that the Israelis are targetting women and children and killing truck loads full of children on purpose. Back that crap up liar and I will apologize for my statements.

otherwise you are a bold-faced liar. When you provide the proof that your morality demands, then I will apologize humbly for my critical remarks.

[Egeides]

Rationality is working the same way for you as for me empr. If what you said is a sufficient argument, i can answer you "What you say is a LIE, LIE, LIE. I have the TRUTH, TRUTH, TRUTH" but instead, here's a copy/paste all ready:

Until now:

- They were furnishing weapons to dictatorships and passing weapons USA was giving (Nicaragua, Salvadore, Africa...).

- It annexed alot of Palestine.

- Amnesty International "estimates 1600 Palestinians routinely arrested by Israeli military forces every year, half "systematically tortured" " with Supreme court approval (saying they are too evil, it's the only way).

- When some atrocities occurs, Palestinians are placed under harsh curfew, no matter who is responsible (but not Israelites). Notice that kids don't go to school often and now have a scholarship problem: they were using Internet to go to a virtual school but without justification, Israel went to Internet furnisher and bombed it

- " Razing Palestinian houses in the search for "Jewish archeological remains" and establishing "nature reserves", later to be converted to Jewish housing "

- Imprisonment without charge

- Israel military operations aren't restricted to the "security zone"

- Why does such a little country have a military that is bigger than Russia?... Because it uses it. It also has bio/chemical and didn't signed the Nuclear Non-proliferation treaty

- "illegal use of weapons occasionally elicits a reprimand or temporary cut-off of shipments when the consequences receive too much publicity"

- The kamikaze may terrorize, they use such methods because they don't have same weapons: you kill lot better with organized weaponry like Israel. And they killed alot more also. Not counting everything they destroyed...

I can continue the list like this for a long time since I just passed the first 50 pages of a book that has 565.

Source: Most of it comes from Fateful Triangle, Noam Chomsky. Espescially the preface. What was under "" is direct quote.

Besides, i could add to this that I know people that lived in Lebanon and talked to me a bit about how soldiers were acting, how they felt about war (injustice, etc.) and so on. They feel like Israel wanted their ressources and territory. The woman I know was afraid enough to evade all Israeli checkpoint.

[emprworm]

assuming that the things you say are even credible...i see nothing in there about killing children, women, elderly and the handicapped.

you are indeed....

A LIAR

however, let me make a statement of truth, to stand out as a beacon of light amidst these lies.

Palestinians intentionally and with direct conscious act of the will...target and deliberately kill: women, children, handicapped, elderly.

[Egeides]

emprworm: What does "civilians" mean for you?... The deaths I put is about civilians. What is done is against civilians. Read twice.

Oh and...

You're a LIAR, LIAR, LIAR...

You can yell this, it wont change its validity.

PS: About assuming it is not credible, well you still didn't went against it.