One of the MANY reasons why the UN is a Joke

[emprworm]

The UN is the joke of the world.

Lybia heads the Human Rights commission of the UN.

http://wordofmessiah.org/lybia%20un%20human%20rights%20thing.htm

http://www.amanjordan.org/english/daily_news/wmview.php?ArtID=767

http://www.elenamederos.org/Opinions/libya.html

Rational Person: "Huh? Lybia to head Human Rights Comission? You mean the country with that Gaddafi dictator and its endless string of human rights violations?"

Response: "Yes the very same one

Iraq elected to head the Disarmament Commission of the UN

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=30706

http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,5906608%255E1702,00.html

Rational Person: "you have GOT to be kidding!!!"

Response: "No, I am not. This is the United Nations in all its glory."

Plea: PLEASE....PLEASE United States, Pull Out of this body of beauracratic idiocy. Get us OUT of this mindless heap of nonsense called the UN.

[Edric O]

PLEASE....PLEASE United States, Pull Out of this body of beauracratic idiocy. Get us OUT of this mindless heap of nonsense called the UN.

1933: Germany leaves the League of Nations

1939: Germany begins a bloody genocidal war for the conquest of Europe

And if Emprworm gets his way:

2003: United States leaves the UN

2009: ...

[Anathema]

I knew about both Emp. Iraq refused the position, btw.

Though the UN may be far from ideal, the world as a whole would be off worse without it.

[emprworm]

LYBIA HEAD OF HUMAN RIGHTS COMISSION???

*GOOD GRIEF* ::) ::)

Earthnuker...please...PLEASE tell me you can see the glaring hypocrisy in this!!

[Edric O]

So it would be better if there was no Human Rights comission at ALL? ::)

[emprworm]

So it would be better if there was no Human Rights comission at ALL? ::)

Oh, I'm sorry Edric. You are right. Put Kim Jong, Saddam Hussein, and Momar Gaddaffi as the Human Rights board. SIlly me!!! How could I be so blind as to their wonderful qualifications!!

Yes, Lybia Head of Human Rights Commission! What a GREAT choice for the cause of Human Rights!

You know, using your sound, wonderful logic, I was thinking, it is too bad that Nikolai Ceausescu is dead, because he would be a very nice candidate for the head of human rights commission. In fact, if we could have made Nikolai Ceausescu the Secretary General of the UN AND the head of the HUman Rights Comission, that would have been a wonderful thing. And if someone tries to challenge us and say "Nikolai Ceausescu head of Human RIghts Comission is despicable" we only need to say to them what you said to me: "So it would be better if there was no Human Rights comission at ALL?"

Great thinking Edric! My mind has been changed! I am a new man!! ::) ::)

[DukeLeto]

Would it? Is that what you really think? It would be better with no human rights commision at all? You are sick. >:(

[emprworm]

Would it? Is that what you really think? It would be better with no human rights commision at all? You are sick. >:(

obiviously I was being sarcastic to expose Edric's poor logic. Having Lybia as head of human rights is a hypocritical mockery of immense proportions.

is it better to have Adolph HItler as head of your government, or no head of government at all?

[Caid Ivik]

Let it is just a symbol, but there MUST be an organisation maintaining the rules, even if there are some brakers. And also some jokers who would put an end to such...jokes. Next time I want to see China as head of WTO or France leading the research of alternative energy sources...

[Edric O]

About Ceausescu:

1. His name was Nicolaie.

2. Believe it or not, he was actually MORE stupid than Bush (yes, it is possible). The reason he was such a psychotic dictator is that when you give a chimpanzee absolute power, bad things tend to happen.

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So, Emprworm, in other words your answer is YES. You don't want a Human Rights comission. You don't want a UN. You want a world policed by one nation alone.

And then what happens if that nation turns into a nazi empire?

[emprworm]

To answer your questions, Edric:

I want a human rights commission. I want it to be VALID. I want it to be LEGITIMATE.

Lybia as head of human rights is a contradiction, and turns it into a joke.

If you cannot see this, then there is little I can do for you.

[Edric O]

Oh, I can see the problem all right. What I CAN'T see is you giving us a better option.

You can't start judging which countries are better suited for this and that role in the UN, because the judges would become corrupt in a matter of days, if they weren't from the beginning.

[Caid Ivik]

Powerless judges don't have to be corrupted. See how much violence is on Earth and UN does nothing. And when one country vows to stop it in other one, than all are against.

[DukeLeto]

And then what happens if that nation turns into a nazi empire?

(I assume you're talking about the US.) "Turns into"? Too late.

[emprworm]

Oh, I can see the problem all right. What I CAN'T see is you giving us a better option.

You can't start judging which countries are better suited for this and that role in the UN, because the judges would become corrupt in a matter of days, if they weren't from the beginning.

lol! a better option? LOL! Pretty much ANY country in the world is a better option than Libya. Tell you what, since you seem to have such a hard time with this, lets begin by assigning the head of human rights to a NON-DICTATORSHIP country. Hows that for a place to start?

But since the UN is so inept that it cannot even grasp its own unbelievable bigotry, it is a corrupt organization, and I hope the US leaves it at once.

[Edric O]

I was talking about a better option for appointing countries to comissions, not a better option than Libya as head of HR... ::)

[emprworm]

I was talking about a better option for appointing countries to comissions, not a better option than Libya as head of HR... ::)

i don't know, Edric, you tell me. I have given up on the UN as a credible body. They even recently chose Iraq to head the Disarmament Comission! LOLLLLLL! ROFL! LOL! + LOL + LOL!

I mean CMON DUDE. It is unbelievable. Just absolutely unbelievable.

It is beyond repair.

[Caid Ivik]

Emp, stop with that revolutionarism. It's more for that leftist orthodox liberal. Have you ever thought about what these comissions do? NOTHING!

[nemafakei]

Revolutionism would be ok, if people had a better option...

Oh, and you still haven't answered Edric's question, by the way, Empr. That sort of thing, as you well know, infuriates people. If you won't answer, say so.

[emprworm]

Revolutionism would be ok, if people had a better option...

Oh, and you still haven't answered Edric's question, by the way, Empr. That sort of thing, as you well know, infuriates people. If you won't answer, say so.

i did answer edric's question. i answered it here:

http://www.dune2k.com/forum/?action=display;board=34;threadid=9295;start=0#msg148249

but since you missed the answer, I will spell it out for you.

Edric's question commits the fallacy of the loaded question (sometimes known as the fallacy of the complex question).

you can read about this fallacy Edric commited here:

http://www.sjsu.edu/depts/itl/graphics/adhom/loaded.html

WHen someone asks me a loaded question, their response will obviously not be "yes or no" since the question itself is flawed. The response will be a loaded response. So, I gave Edric a loaded response, for a loaded question.

[nemafakei]

There is no answer in that post, and I have no idea which you would prefer.

Empr, his question has no assumption which could be construed as fallacious.

Answers may still be boolean, with explanation, without implication; answer it literally, and rationalise it.

My answer would be that I would prefer to have the organisation than not, for whatever help it may provide.

Will you answer his question or won't you?

[emprworm]

Will you answer his question or won't you?

lol, what is it with you guys? ::)

i answered it already. but fine, since I am such a nice guy, I'll spell it out totally.

I brought to bear the mockery of assigning the dictatorship of Lybia ruled by Moammar Gaddafi to be an embarrassment to the credibility of the UN by making them head of the human rights comission.

Edric then asks me the quesiton: "So it would be better if there was no Human Rights comission at ALL? "

This question is loaded. I will not fall trap to a loaded question. (you can read about this fallacy Edric commited here:

http://www.sjsu.edu/depts/itl/graphics/adhom/loaded.html)

If I answer "Yes" that would imply that I am not in favour of a global comission on human rights. This is false.

If I answer "No" that would imply that I am contradicting myself and that we should keep Lybia as the head of Human Rights.

The question was not even worthy of an answer. I answer NEITHER yes or no. It is loaded. I do not answer loaded questions. And I wont begin to.

NOw, because I am such a nice guy, I will give you a question that I would have answered for Edric, had he asked it:

Proposed Questions I would have answered: "So are you saying that someone else should head the Human Rights Comission?"

Answer: YES

[nemafakei]

"And I wont begin to"

At last...

Given that Empr, who made the thread, won't tell us what he thinks about the topic, therefore making further discussion pointless, I am open to reasons why this thread should be kept open; if not, it'll get locked.

[emprworm]

ill make it easy for you.

you can lock every single thread I make because the following will always be true, no matter what I post, no matter what thread I create:

" I do not answer loaded questions. And I wont begin to."

And I've told you what I think. if its not good enough for you and you have an itchy finger to lock my threads, then have at it, if that makes you feel better.

but I STILL wont answer loaded questions.

[nemafakei]

If you refuse to communicate on the most important considerations of things you have brought up, expect 'your' threads to be subject to locking. Simple as that.

I will, however, continue to wait for objections from people who might actually want to discuss the issues.