The United Nations

[Anathema]

Emp all nations are members of the UN. If the world were anti semetic, then so would the UN obviously. However, the UN never forced Israel to follow any of the resolutions passed.

[nampigai]

well it's not exactly like the US is favoring the palestian is it? I know it's a tight spot, and we'll have a hard time getting peace down there but frankly I believe if we ever want to get rid of terrorism, Israel and Palestine is the place we should start.

[emprworm]

well it's not exactly like the US is favoring the palestian is it? I

thank goodness...SOMEONE needs to balance the equation. If you totalled all the countries favoring Israel and those favoring Palestine, it would weigh very heavily Palestine.

also, please total the sum of land that Muslims have. Israel is a tiny dot on the map. just give them their freaking land already. There is plenty of room for palestinians in the middle east.

[Anathema]

THe jews were offered sanctuary elsewhere, but only the Israelian territory was good enough for them.

At that time, apparently, the jews were more important then the muslims there.

[emprworm]

At that time, apparently, the jews were more important then the muslims there.

in the same way that all the Frisians revolted against Philip II.

in the same way that Europeans (including Dutch, French, British) settled America.

in the same way that Muhammad took Israel from the Jews to begin with

in the same way that.....(fill in the blank with any nation in the world)

[nampigai]

I believe it was an error perhaps the greatest ever to give them Israel, but now we've made it and we can't really do anything about it. But when it comes to making peace among them I don't believe the US will be able to do so. I believe we (the EU) should do that as I believe us to be the most un-biased in this.

[Anathema]

No Emp, that's not the same at all. The UK helped them drive out the local people.

And screw history, we should know better then our ancestors.

About Filip II, I don't believe the Frysians played any significant part in the uprising.

[emprworm]

well its nice, Earthnuker that you have little excuses and justifications for all the other land annexes of history, except for the Jews. In this particular case, they are to be condemned....? ::) oh well. i will have a more historically and socially consistent position regarding this.

[Anathema]

I'm fed up with you emp.

[emprworm]

lol! sorry man, but I see a glaring inconsistency in your argument. land annexation is simply part of history and is going on even now as we speak (China annexing Tibet. Remember Hong Kong?)

Afghanistan had a nice little annexing, and soon to be Iraq. Palestinians, like eveyrone else, can learn to cope with their new government...or MOVE

[Caid Ivik]

Antisemitism in UN? Possible, at least in era of Hammarskjold it's for sure, but in fact Israel broken much of their resolutions. Altough they are at least democratic. But antisemitism is against values UN was based upon. Modern arab countries (Turkey?) are trying to end that feud, altough it's written to their hearts by Quran.

[nampigai]

I believe that the native Americans should get back all their land, and then the Euro-american and afro-american should just have to cope with it or MOVE.

[emprworm]

I believe that the native Americans should get back all their land, and then the Euro-american and afro-american should just have to cope with it or MOVE.

fine. I'm sure many ppl agree with you (seriously). And i have no problem with that view. if the native americans have enough power to overcome their "captors" then let them do it. I'm sure I will find some way to cope, or die in the struggle.

[Anathema]

I doubt Europe would accept the refugees.

[nampigai]

I believe that the native Americans should get back all their land, and then the Euro-american and afro-american should just have to cope with it or MOVE.

fine. I'm sure many ppl agree with you (seriously). And i have no problem with that view. if the native americans have enough power to overcome their "captors" then let them do it. I'm sure I will find some way to cope, or die in the struggle.

no, you see we should all allow them and help them it's their country you know.

[emprworm]

well we will resist them.

and when we resist them, there will be a winner

and a loser

the losers will have to cope or move.

[nampigai]

No you should just learn to live with it or move, you aren't allowed to resist, neither are the palestinians. We shall help the Native Americans get their country back.

[emprworm]

lol! I'm not allowed to resist? ha ha. Too bad, I will. Palestinians are resisting...but losing. and when they lose (inevitable), they will either cope, or pack their bags.

this is normal annexing that takes place throughout this world, and all througout history. Those who lose the fight have little choices but to cope or move. ANd palestine cannot win vs. Israel

[nampigai]

oh? then why do we have to help the Iraqis? they can overthrow Saddam himself we shoul lead isolationist policy don't you think? I don't believe you can justify what Sharon is doing just because he's the strongest, saying that it has allways been this way, well we used to burn witches too and they used to say the earth was flat.

[emprworm]

i never said you can't help. As much as I hate to say this, we had help from the French. The russians had help from the allies.

there is no rule in land annexing that says "thou must annex solo". If the entire world wants to help the native americans gain back their land, then fine. Same thing applies: we will resist. and if we lose, then I will either live under the new laws, or move, or die resisting.

thats how the world works- always has.

[nampigai]

so you really do think it's fair what Sharon is doing?

[emprworm]

he is taking land. i honestly dont think he would be killing anyone if the palestinians would simply back down. but they choose to fight. that is their right to fight. but when you choose that path, there will be blood. if the palestinians just back down, then the violence would cease. BUt they want their land. so they wont back down. Instead they will just succumb.

When there is an annexation happening (normal in human history), those who are being annexed can resist or submit. My opinion on the matter is of little consequence. I think Palestinians should back down. I support Israel's annexation. However, I do not support China's annexation of TIbet. In each case, there is nothing I can do.

[Anathema]

Meh. It's not the Palestinian civilians that choose to have their territory invaded. It's a small portion of them who blows himself to pieces in public places. No need for him to consider what will happen to his family or his people, because after all, he's going straight to heaven for carrying out Allahs will ::)

[nampigai]

ok, and we should help Sharon? (allthough he's force are way superior to that of the Palestinian) and the fact that he kills civilians with he's military is just ok, afterall the Vikings raped and caused havoc too, why shouldn't Sharon.

You say that sometimes it's ok to help out, but not the palestinian? Sharon claims it's only Arafat who's not complying, yet he encouraged the settlements to stay.

If you were palestinian would you just say: hey too bad, too sad, there's plenty of other land for me, allthough me grand dad owned this land, I'm gonna take my bag and find a new place to live?

edit: I agree Earthnuker, however if my brother was a terrorist, should I be punished? I can't see the justication in it.

[emprworm]

again, if you totalled all the nations of the world that were on the side of the palestinians, it would vastly outnumber those on the side of Israel. YOU don't have to help SHaron, you can go help palestine if you want. WE (as in the US) will be helping Israel. THey have few friends in the world. Surely you can admit and agree at least on that point.

Palestine has a vast number of friendly neighbors: saudi, yemen, jorda, egypt, pakistan, etc.

they can all come to the help of palestine if they want.

so why don't they?