Humans - Imperfect beings?

[Caid Ivik]

Who has seen or talked to god? noone.

Adam, Abraham, Moses... God is over this world and because of His weird form He cannot be seen. But many people talked to Him, so you aren't right.

[Acriku]

Who has seen them do such? No one, which is just like "saying" they did. They talk looking up, but who knows if they are talking to him?

[Elite47]

If someone is talking to their imaginary friend, does that mean it exists? Does that mean the imaginary friend is actually talking back? You can't say something like that without evidence just because the bible says so and u happen to believe in the bible.

[Caid Ivik]

"Burning column" over Moses was seen. By whole jewish nation! Then I can say that i.e. George Bush does not exists, because I haven't seen him. Or maybe I, myself, don't exist. Maybe what you see here is just a phantom of your mind!

[Acriku]

No, it just says the whole nation saw it. No proof of it yet.

You can say he does, because you can see him, whether you do or not. You can't see god whether you want to or not. But let's not get into this type of perspective, a little bit offtopic ;)

[Caid Ivik]

You don't believe the history? There is no proof over existence of Roman Empire? We can say the Colosseum and such are just fakes. But ruins of jewish temple in Jerusalem are too, possibly fake too.

[Acriku]

All of the bible is not accurate history, and will not be until all of it is proven correct.

[Caid Ivik]

Then make a time machine.

[Acriku]

Of course, if I did then I would already have one and have either proven/disproven the bible and we would all have the answers. But since that isn't what happened, I can't make one ;)

[TMA_1]

you are just playing around now man.lol try to cool down a bit with some of the stuff you say. it boarders on being hurtful man. It is just as important to us as something you hold dear to you. If you didnt mind when that thing you cherished was ridiculed, then you are a pretty cold person acriku.

[Acriku]

What was so cold and harsh about my posts?

[TMA_1]

comparing our faith with believing in santa clause. saying that it is nothing. saying that there is no point. I mean it is immature and mean dude. insensitive at best. Why be that way in the first place? it doesnt help your arguments. It only makes people who feel how I feel disagree with you more. you are just trying to piss some people off, that is not nice at all. its being a jerk.

[emprworm]

All of the bible is not accurate history, and will not be until all of it is proven correct.

and this means that it is "innacurate" until proven "accurate?"

what kind of nonsense logic is that?

[Acriku]

OMG tma this is not the thread to start this up. Talk about what I said in here, and keep it in here unless it is relevant to another thread. Please bash Acriku- in your own threads.

[TMA_1]

stop hiding behind that. You are way insensitive and it has gotten out of line. this is as good a thread as any to say that. I cant make you act decent and proper, but if you keep it up, it is really sick and disgusting. I never insulted you either, it is how I feel. I did not slam you personally, I only stated the fact that you have said things that are potentially hurtful. if you have any decency, you would stop.

[Acriku]

If I said something in this thread that is hurtful, I apologize, but sometimes opinions offend people. And if I said something outside of this thread, it should not be talked about in here as a separate topic, because that would be spam. So please keep this ontopic.

[TMA_1]

you asked for examples, I took outside examples. therefore it isnt spam. thanks for the apology by the way.

[Acriku]

I was referring to inside examples, because I assumed you were keeping it ontopic, but when you posted it before I asked, that was spam.

[emprworm]

yea, lets get this back on topic. You can start, Acriku, by explaining to me the logic behind this statement you made:

"All of the bible is not accurate history, and will not be until all of it is proven correct. "

[TMA_1]

it means that it itself isnt proven. Many things in the bible have been proven to be historically accurate. As a matter of fact, there are even civilizations that were found because of the bible. Take for example the Hittite empire. Some of it isnt proven though. That doesnt mean it is wrong though. Just unproven impirically.

[emprworm]

the implication is that it is "inaccurate until proven accurate"

[TMA_1]

exactly, that is why I corrected him in saying that some stuff is just unproven archeologically and historically.

[Acriku]

Not that it is inaccurate, but that it is "up for grabs," - but not accurate. Don't put words in my mouth empr...If you infer something, do not hold it against me because you inferred it.

[emprworm]

then don't post leading statements acriku.

""All of the bible is not accurate history, and will not be until all of it is proven correct. "

it is reasonable, and fully rational for anyone to read this sentence to say:

"All of the bible is not accurate history, and will not be accurate until all of it is proven correct. "

the phrase "not be accurate" means inaccurate.

my inference was fully, rationally, grammaticaly justified.

if you did not intend that inference, then you posted a misleading statement. Kind of like deceptive advertising.

[Acriku]

It means that not every part of the bible is accurate. But if it is proven to be accurate (which would require that the evidence that it is inaccurate must be replaced by more evidence that it is accurate and explain why there was evidence for the inaccuracies.), then it all of it can be accurate.

Jesus baptised - John 3:22

Jesus did not baptise - John 4:2

Either one of them is accurate, and the other is not. The other that is not includes an inaccuracy in the bible. Thus, all of the bible is not accurate - said after the claim that all of the bible is accurate. I am not saying that the whole bible is inaccurate, but simply that in the bible, if there is one inaccuracy, then ALL of the bible cannot be accurate.