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[VigilVirus]

No, every inch of US would be destroyed, while some of the world would not even be touched.

impossible. there are not enough nukes in the entire world- combined with the US to cover every inch of even 4 states in the US.

what are you smoking?

and give some to kirov

Lol, yes, there is. And not thanks, I'll leave the smoking to you, since you like it so much.

[VigilVirus]

Let's end this stupid topic now.

[emprworm]

Lol, yes, there is. And not thanks, I'll leave the smoking to you, since you like it so much.

ok now were going to expose this. you are so wrong.

tell me why you think there are that many nukes.

how many nukes do you think China has? give me numbers please.

[VigilVirus]

Let's see, nuclear capable countries:

Russia (lots of nukes) + China + India + Pakistan + countries of europe.

I don't know the numbers.

Now let's quit talking about this.

[emprworm]

Ok, now I'm going to take you down. I hate doing this, but you forced my hand. What is China's nuclear capability?

China threatens to boost nukes

In two weeks, Washington plans a crucial test of the proposed $60 billion strategic defense umbrella.

If Washington proceeds with a $60 billion defense umbrella, analysts say, it's likely to prompt China to begin tapping its vast hard-currency reserves to build a larger, newer strategic arsenal.

But Chinese arms control and nuclear weapons experts, along with some of their American counterparts, say the US already holds the globe's most formidable nuclear sword.

Armed with a nuclear shield, they add, the world's "hyperpower" would have the capability to neutralize Beijing's relatively small atomic arsenal in a nuclear first strike.

"Many [uS] politicians have called for building a national missile defense (NMD) that could protect the US from a Chinese attack," says Charles Ferguson, an expert at the Federation of American Scientists in Washington.

But China's 400 warheads and two dozen intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBMs) "are not designed for a first strike," adds Mr. Ferguson.

WOW. 400 nukes. Thats all china has. OOOOHHHHH

now, before I really start putting you to shame, what is the blast radius of a nuclear weapon? lets even OVERESTIMATE and assume all of them are high yield 40 megaton warheads.

[VigilVirus]

That is only the nukes of China.

[emprworm]

CHINAS NUCLEAR CAPABILITY IS ABOUT 400 NUCLEAR WEAPONS

http://www.blueprint-magazine.de/blue_7/defense.htm

you really honestly think that will cover 'every inch' of all of the US's 3,618,770 square miles?

[VigilVirus]

CHINAS NUCLEAR CAPABILITY IS ABOUT 400 NUCLEAR WEAPONS

http://www.blueprint-magazine.de/blue_7/defense.htm

you really honestly think that will cover 'every inch' of all of the US's 3,618,770 square miles?

Read my post above.

[emprworm]

CHINA'S NUCLEAR FORCES IN DETAIL

Intercontinental Nuclear Forces

China currently maintains a minimal intercontinental nuclear deterrent using

land-based intercontinental ballistic missiles(ICBMs), all belonging to the

Dong Feng (East Wind) series. The Dong Feng-5 (DF-5) liquid-fueled missile,

first deployed in 1981, has a range of 13,000 km and carries a single multi-

megaton warhead. Twenty are believed to be deployed in central China. Unlike

China's earlier ballistic missiles, which were stored in caves and moved out

for launch, the DF-5 can be launched directly from vertical silos -- but only

after a two-hour fueling process. In order to increase the survivability of the

DF-5s, dummy silos are placed near the real silos. The DF-5's range gives it

coverage of all of Asia and Europe, and most of the USA. The south-eastern

US states are at the edge of the missile's range.

Two additional long-range ballistic missiles are in the development stage, the

8,000 km DF-31 and the 12,000 km DF-41. Both missiles are expected to be

solid-fueled and based on mobile launchers. It is not known how many missiles

China plans to deploy nor how many warheads the missiles may carry, but

it is believed that China is hoping to deploy multiple nuclear warheads and

penetration aids. These may be either multiple re-entry vehicles (MRVs) or

the more capable, but technically difficult multiple independently-targetable

re-entry vehicles (MIRVs). First deployment for the DF-31 could occur before

2005; the DF-41 is likely to follow, possibly around 2010.

China's nuclear-armed naval forces are currently limited to one Xia Type 092

nuclear-powered and nuclear ballistic missile-equipped submarine (SSBN),

which has a history of reactor and acoustic problems. The only existing Xia

092, serial number 406, has a mass of 6,500 T dived. It can carry 12 guided

missiles of the Ju Lang-1 (Huge Wave, JL-1) type (SLBM code: CSS-N-3) with

a single 200-300 kT warhead and a range of 1,700 km. [Another source reports

a 1.25 MT warhead equipment but this might be a simple misprint (0,25 MT).]

Although it was rumored that a second boat was built, this has never been

confirmed. Due to its technical limits, the Type 092 is never deployed outside

regional waters. Nevertheless, the Xia 092 has become a valuable testbed for

PLAN (PLA navy) to shape its tactics and strategies for modern SSBN warfare

since the first successful test fire of a JL-1 missile in 1988.

China is reported to be planning to build 4-6 submarines of the new Type 094.

[Other sources mention but 3-4 Type 094 SSBNs being projected.] The Type

094 will introduce a safer, quieter reactor and better overall performance. It is

expected to have 16 JL-2 missiles (SLBM code: CSS-NX-4), capable of carrying

up to six warheads per missile, probably MRVs that are not independently target-

able. [Other sources mention 3-4 of the more sophisticated MIRV warheads with

a capacity of 90 kT each, or a single 250 kT warhead at a range of 8,000 km.]

With the project starting in 1999, the initial launch date for the 094 submarine

is supposed to be scheduled for 2002. Development of its JL-2 missile weapon,

however, may take considerably longer because the land-based missile on which

it based, the DF-31, has been test launched only once. [As a consequence, any

refitting of the first Type 092 submarin with 12 new JL-2 missiles in the late

90s, as reported by other sources, seems to be unlikely and has never been

confirmed.]

sorry, but this just wont cut it. US wins this easily.

[VigilVirus]

What is wrong with you?? Why are you only talking about China??

[emprworm]

Pakistan Two tests in May 1998. As with India, no-one knows exactly how many warheads it has. It is thought to be somewhere between 10 and 15, but could be as many as 150. Missile range between 1,500 to 1,800 miles.

sorry but still that wont cover every inch of the US. you have 3.5 million square miles to cover. there will be plenty of survivors.

[VigilVirus]

Russia has over 2,500 missiles. Plus UK and France both have about 300 each.

[emprworm]

India First tested a "peaceful nuclear explosive device" in May 1974, and claimed its nuclear programme was for peaceful purposes only. Two subsequent tests in May 1998. Estimates of its nuclear arsenal vary from 60 to 250 warheads. It's missile range is between 1,500 to 2,000 miles

oooh. a continent of 1 billion people. yet only about 250 warheads. and btw, you actually think all of them will work? dud rate for these can be over 50%.

not US ones. our dud rates are about 5%

[emprworm]

United States Set off first nuclear blast in 1945. Conducted over 1,030 tests. Arsenal of about 12,070 warheads. Missile range of 8,100 miles

our missles will explode. they are not duds like russias are. In fact, the missles of russia are notorious for having numerous duds. They are some of the poorest constructed missles ever made.

[VigilVirus]

I'm starting not to care about this. Let's change the topic.

[VigilVirus]

Let's leave his pointless discussion at this note. It does not matter how much nukes a country have, one is enough to start a nuclear war which would make the planet uninhabitable.

[emprworm]

ok

[Anathema]

WTF 3 pages since yesterday :O

regarding Castro: Yea, some could almost say Cuba is more facist then communist. Would that be inaccurate?

I'm sure you could say that, but that would be bullshit.

[Sardauker-Kirov]

http://www.google.nl/search?q=cache:2APgmsf-IcEC:home.att.net/~armageddon_watch/vmail.html+Nuclear+tests+germany+1945&hl=nl&ie=UTF-8

If you combine all the missiles and nuclear weapons of the world, I would say America is beaten with nuclear strenght

[Anathema]

If you want the link to work, put the link between these tags, without the spaces.

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[Anathema]

oooh. a continent of 1 billion people. yet only about 250 warheads. and btw, you actually think all of them will work? dud rate for these can be over 50%.

not US ones. our dud rates are about 5%

our missles will explode. they are not duds like russias are. In fact, the missles of russia are notorious for having numerous duds. They are some of the poorest constructed missles ever made.

Oh boy now he's a nuclear expert ::)

[Andrew]

well no one can take over Canada - we have too many hockey sticks, and we have the best hockey players <insert politics comment here>. ;D

[emprworm]

lol, sardaukar-kirov, what date is your data from? Did you read the little fine print next to your little chart? It said taken from FAS.org

how about you check the most recent data first before you spew things that are not true?

http://www.bullatomsci.org/issues/2000/ja00/images/chart2.gif

http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/russia/index.html

Russia has dismantled thousands of its weapons and no longer has anywhere near that many.

and did you not read earlier that Russian nuclear weapons are much weaker than US weapons? They have a drastically higher dud rate and less accuracy.

russian missles have weak range and less yield as well.

The US beats the world in nuclear technology and weapons.

sorry thats just how it goes.

are you ever right about anything sardaukar-kirov?

[Sardauker-Kirov]

Hahah, sure the Russians would display how their Technology works on a Page.

They have dismanteled many of their weapons, but they have enough bombs and enough improved missiles to bombard America to death.

And show me a link please, about their missiles and nuclear weapons. Accuracy, speed etc etc

[emprworm]

no, they dont. Russia has no ability to bomb us. Bombs are not launched, they are dropped.

according to http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/733162.stm

regarding Russia's arsenal (and this data is 2 years old):

Russia First test in 1949. Conducted 715 tests in total. Arsenal of about 28,240 warheads - but an estimated 18,000 of these are awaiting dismantlement or in reserve.

As I showed above, Russia has already dismantled 6000 of its weaker weapons. 12,000 are marked for dismantlement.

This leaves russia with 10,000 nuclear weapons. Weapons that are inferior to ours.