Me and Sardcore looking for Opponents!

[emprworm]

I read the thread below (locked now) about best player ever. I have found through my experience that there are two types of games: 1 vs. 1, and team games. It is one thing to be the best player, but entirely another to be the best team. Sardcore and I over the last 2 months have been online quite a bit, beating almost everyone. Canadian tank and undsputed a couple nights ago rocked our boat with a couple wins. But we came back 2 days later with 2 straight against sarbaukar and harkdawg- two very crafty and highly skilled veterans. Dawg, oh man, I'm telling you- that guy is a phenomenal player. Unreal how good he is. Honestly I couldnt believe we posted vicotries- we had to double team him hard and intense both games to win. Thats the magic of good teamwork. At any rate, we really want to play the best teams out there. Cnad, if you are there, we want a rematch, we will make you pay!! :)

And to anyone else who wants a very good game, page us, we are online most nights now.

We duck no one and play anyone.

Also, look for a big time update to my website in the next month or 2 I will be spilling some major secrets. I'll post here when I do.

And since the last thread was locked and I didnt get to speak, I must give my opinion on all time best player ever:

#1 = earedil. (teaming with gza, i finally got my first win vs. him and cerb two days ago. We played 2 games and split the pair)

anyway, see you all out there!!

[slim]

hm yes its maybe that they are very good but there are a lot of peoples who ducks and cheats in this game like d/c and quitting !!! so we have also won vs very strong teams but there was a lot of which was ducking !!!!

The best players in my clan are ... gimbala00,d0cpa1n,nypd23,mikroabso and me hehe ::) ::) ::)

so who want to do a bc u can always come and play us when we dont do other things :D ;) :D ;) :D

[GhostHunter]

Hey Emprworm man, long time, whats been happening with you. And good job with Cerb ;D

[emprworm]

your post exactly explains why I have never participated in clan or QM. The system is wrought with abuse. "Top" players frequently ducked / multi-nicked / dc / refuse other settingz, etc. This corruption has always kept me out of the ranking systems because the ranking systems are not accurate at all. In addition, I think QM settings are poor settings and do not adequately reflect a players skill. Living world adds luck which detracts from skill. I admit that "fog of war" is closer to the real thing, but the real thing has luck too. Only a true chess game has zero luck whatsoever. Chess is 100% strategic. Fog of war, though closer to real war, adds luck. Having 5 starting units and a prebuilt base is faulty as well. The computer does not strategically build your base very well (I put my buildings in specific places) and the hark missle tank on certain maps can instantly kill a spice harv within 10 seconds. Put simply, the most strategic settings in this game IMHO is starting with NOTHING. All players have zip. 10K perhaps to start. And from there, you're on your own. no fog, no living world, no units. This is maximum strategy. QM settings to me have always been faulty for these reasons and are not the end-all standard in which to measure ones skill. Of course you are free to disagree with me. But because of my contempt for QM settings which I think are weak settings, and the corruption within the clan system, I have stayed out and just played skirmishes. Again, these are only my opinions and I respect anyone elses opinion who differs with me.

[emprworm]

hey vilgent! good to see you. me and sard are playing a lot. come online, grab a parter and hit us up if ya want. The cerb thing was definatly cool. I saw earedil "online" in my friends list. I havent seen that happen for months. I couldnt believe it so I paged him and he invited me to join his game. Heck ya. I asked if there was room for sardcore, but there wasnt. :(

So i cant pass this up. I needed some revenge. The only games I ever played vs. earedil was back in feb or march of this year. I played him 3 games and lost them all! Lol! Though one of them was close, I almost beat him. He's so good. Anyway, I join the room and gza is there with eare and cerb. First map is worm garden. QM settings (belch! I HATE QM settz, but o well). Me and gz are ordos. Ear and cerb are ordos, hark respectively. There was no doubling really. Cerb was right above me. Eara right above gza. Eara and cerb tried to double gza, so I ran up and planted some mortar on a rock by cerbs base and killed him with my kobra and dusties to support. Meanwhile gza was killing eara on his own. But I still dusted over to help gza double eara. A good win. They want rematch. Next game spice bowl, same houses. lol this was a differnt story. Cerb rushes gza with a barrage of buzz and inf. I run down to try to help gza while eara runs down to help fend me off and double gza. Eara is a remarkable player. While eara was down there doubling gza and attacking my dusties, he is MULTITASKING and making fremen worms back in my base camp- freaking doing two things at once. Lol. I was killed quick cuz the worms wiped my harvs. So we go 1-1. Very good games. Of course, next time it will be my settings: 10K no prebuilt, no dam QM settz on knife fight.

:)

[GhostHunter]

Wish I could but comp wont allow me to, know matter who helps me to do it, only way is to reformat :-

[emprworm]

darn. sorry to hear that. what happened to your computer? I am a network administrator full time so I know a thing or 2 about them.

[SurlyPIG]

Hey emp, I'm canadian tank if you didn't already know. I'd be happy to play you and sardcore with whoever as an ally...preferably some1 from endo. Me and cerb were 3-0 vs ear and kebab back in the day before everyone left...and me and elite havn't lost a 2v2 clan to date.

2v2s are a whole different ball game than 1v1s...I'm sure you've noticed that people who are seemingly untouchable in 1v1s are very beatable in 2v2s.

My only beef with qms is that so much stuff is left random. I'd rather it be no fog, no worms and no crates. I think the 5 unit start is great. Those 5 units from each house are perfectly balanced. I think the only problem with that system is that the initial battle has too much riding on it. Most times, whoever wins the initial clash wins the game.

[emprworm]

hey, Ace, yea i figured you were canadian tank. You're the only canadian player I know of who is that good with ordos, so I just put 2 and 2 together. Please do drop by and page us. ITs pretty amazing to be totally undefeated with a particular partner. You and elite undefeated? Not bad. How many games? Anyway, sardcore and I would love to try to knock you down. Not saying we'd do it, but we'll give it a shot. We have taken losses as a team, but not very many. And yes, I agree completely about the 1 vs. 1 game and the 2 vs. 2 game.

And great point about QM. That initial battle is so crucial. For example: If you are atr and you lose your mino you are dead. Your odds of winning are so reliant upon that one single unit (kobra, mino, missle tank) that it makes the game too far out of whack. Starting from nothing is such a nicely even playing field. If you WANT to have a critical unit (such as build a mino immediately and put all your hopes on its survival), you can! Or you can make 10 sand bikes. The point being is that in a game w/o starting units, I am not forced to 'rely' on that starting mino or kobra staying alive.

Anyway, if you see me online (which I am a lot), grab a partner and page me or join my game. Sard and I like to have good challenges and if it means losing to you and elite a few times, great! Just all the more to improve our skill. I can take the loss. I'm mad at the time it happens, but after 10 minutes, I'm back to normal and I congradulate the player(s) that kicked my arse. But then again, perhaps it will be you that goes down.....?

;D

[SurlyPIG]

Nah me and elite only started since PIG jumped ship to Endo. Come to think of it, the only players who have defeated any Endo players in a 2v2 on reasonable settings (you know what that means) have been other Endo players...

If qm was without those starting units then atr and ordos would be seriously f***ed. The starting units are unbalanced too! Saws and light inf murder chems and dusts or bikes and inf. Dusts and chems murder bikes and inf. The kob and the mino are needed to mass destroy saws. If not for that, the initial game would be head to head basic units until economies were up, which would be quite boring IMO.

I'll add you to my BL and give you a page if/when I see you.

[Taqwa11]

I like what you guys are doing, Emp, Ace, Sarb, Cerb, etc. It feels like the old, enthusiastic early Emperor days. Enthusiasm like yours could really be infectious and keep Emperor going for quite some time--at least until you guys finally quit. Wish I were good enough to hang with you guys. Actually, I kind of long for the good old days when Tenfor and I won at least 90% of our games as a team.

I will definitely be watching your site, Emprworm. It's the best damned Emperor site out there.

[emprworm]

Me and cerb were 3-0 vs ear and kebab back in the day before everyone left...and me and elite havn't lost a 2v2 clan to date.

Well Ace, after me and Gaz finished 2 games with earedil and cerb, I thought I saw you in the room to take my place. I could be wrong, but I was pretty sure I saw you there. I am curious as to how you and gaz did vs. cerb and earedil yesterday.

[emprworm]

Nah me and elite only started since PIG jumped ship to Endo. Come to think of it, the only players who have defeated any Endo players in a 2v2 on reasonable settings (you know what that means) have been other Endo players...

If qm was without those starting units then atr and ordos would be seriously f***ed. The starting units are unbalanced too! Saws and light inf murder chems and dusts or bikes and inf. Dusts and chems murder bikes and inf. The kob and the mino are needed to mass destroy saws. If not for that, the initial game would be head to head basic units until economies were up, which would be quite boring IMO.

Ahhh, i respectfully disagree with you Ace. First of all, any setting in my book is "reasonable" simply because they are equal for everyone. There are settings I do not like. But that doesn't make them unreasonable- they aren't just suited to my taste. But the moment I click "Accept" i no longer have an excuse.

My second disagreement with you (respectfully of course) is that hark has an advantage. If you want to get 2 hark players together and team vs. me and sardcore as atr and ordos on knife fight with 10k no starting units, I will gladly oblige you. In fact, on knife fight hark has very little chance to win against ordos. If you disagree, please o please come see me and Sardcore. If you dont have a partner, thats ok, too. ONe of us will resign our forces and watch. If you really do know how to beat ordos consistently with harkonnen on knife fight 10k no starting units, I want to witness it with my own eyes! ILL BE ON TONIGHT

[CERBERUS]

Hey regarding those 2v2 games..the first game i tried gunship rush so i asked ear to cover me..but u guys attacked b4 i had many units :( And the 2nd game i was right next to gza on spicebowl..so i ran my rocket out killed his carryall and harvy then he lost his rocket with mine still surviving...the game was over then for gza.

Iv been playing war3 alot recienty and have only played a handful of games on emp in the last month or 2...(so very rusty still) but if ace needs a partner for this hark v ordos on knife ill take a break from bnet and play.

[emprworm]

you are highly skilled emp player cerb. your win vs. gza and me was perfromed very well. But i think i rushed you in the first game b4 you even had a hangar up. I never destroyed a hangar in your base. I rushed nearly immediately. It was a very short game. At any rate, you guys wiped us clean in game 2. Probably in the same amount of time- like 4 minutes. lol! Nice work. fun games too, btw.

[Elite47]

Man Me and xvayne will take up the challenge of best 2 vs 2. We've never lost a 2 vs 2(Im not sure, maybe one loss vs ace and cerb, Or it was me and zaeblovse that lost 1).

But anyways yeah that first game me and empr vs u and ear was a good fair game, but u guys nailed us the 2nd game... I prolly shouldn't have played hark :-.

But anyways me and ace also can team up we've had a fair amount of games together now. Me and cerb havent really played together much though. :P

But if i had to choose my best partner it would be xvayne ,we've been a clan of only 2(or 3 when zae was here) for like 5-6 months now. Ill be on tonight, and tomorrow night etc... damnit i dont have any other games to play :P

[IxianMace]

Well I'd be happy to play against you and Sardcore, even if I get killed. I still need much more practice, and to get better, I need to play people that can own me. ;D

[emprworm]

Ixianmace, do not underestimate yourself. You are a skilled player. Fully capable of cleaning my closet. In fact, I do believe you have taken down the worm in your day. I have found in my journey through this game, that its the teamwork, and not necessarily the individual skill, that gives one the victories. For example, I know that elite is an excellent player with the same skill as me, if not flat out better than me. However, unless he has a good teammate there is little chance he will ever beat me and sard simply because me and sard communicate so well and work so well together. So just because someone beats you in a team game, doesn't mean they are better than you individually- you might be able to cream them 1 vs. 1, but as a *team* they work so well they are better than you and your partner as a team, even though your individual skill level may be as high, or even higher then theirs. A classic example happened last week: me and sard beat sarb and harkdawg in 2 games. now, make no bones about it, dawg is better than me- i'm not that prideful. The only reason we beat them was not because i am better than dawg or sard was better than dawg or either of us better than sarb who is also a great player- it was because as a team, us together were better than dawg and sarb as a team, just because we team soooooo much.

[IxianMace]

Thanks emprworm. Well it looks like I'll need to find a regular partner to train with and work with together as team then. There are two online friends that I think are of a decent skill level, but the problem is the time difference. When they're on, I'm off, etc, etc. Time is never enough sometimes... :P The problem with most people I meet online, is they either expect too much of me, or fail to help me when I really need it (e.g. if I'm being double rushed or I'm rushing a player and his ally comes to help him, my partner will not help me). :(

[emprworm]

Ixian: the qualities of a good teammate:

1. He will always watch your back. A good teammate will sometimes watch whats happening to YOU more than whats happening to him.

2. He understands that your units are JUST AS IMPORTANT as his units. In fact, he will sometimes even sacrifice his units (example: some dustscouts) to keep an important unit of yours alive (that mino which is marching to your base on knife fight).

3. If you get into trouble, and need a turret, he will CANCEL what he is building- *even if it is a refinery* in order to save you.

4. He will watch the map. He will watch the movements of the enemy and if he sees the enemy building in front of your base, HE will build in front of your base.

5. The second factory of any good teammate is ALWYAS placed in his partners base, because he might need to build units from your base if you get into trouble.

I could go on, but that will do for now. And sard does all of these.

[IxianMace]

5. The second factory of any good teammate is ALWYAS placed in his partners base, because he might need to build units from your base if you get into trouble.

And sard does all of these.

Sometimes, when I build a second factory in my partner's base, he tells me to get rid of it because he says he needs the space... :P

You're pretty lucky to have someone like Sard as a regular team mate then. 8)

I once played a game with someone from *SKUM* clan (won't name him for privacy reasons), against two people from the BUM clan. It was on Fishers Plain. I started on the piece of rock at the middle of the top of the screen, and the two guys from BUM started in the top right corner, and the piece of rock on the right side of the map. My ally started in the BOTTOM LEFT CORNER!!! It was pretty clear that I was going to be double rushed soon, judging from the large number of Dust Scouts and Buzzsaws gathering outside my base, so my partner left his base and ran his dust scouts and Laser Tanks over to the front door of my base where I was defending on the small piece of infantry rock. He also built a second factory in my base, however he then got taken straight up in his own base by Dust Scouts and Chemical Troopers that seemingly came out of nowhere. :O He ended up having to stay in my base, since his base in the bottom corner was wiped out in a few minutes, which made him a liability now. He had to go anyway, so I quit after he left, but what do you think of the teamwork here? He asked me to help him defend his base when his base was rushed, but I couldn't because I had to stay and defend the area around the entrance to my base. There were already lots of Buzzsaws and Dust Scouts waiting there, and I feared that if I moved my Dust Scouts and Laser Tanks to help ward off the attack on his base, I might leave my base open to attack.

[ken124578]

oh boehoe ;D

[emprworm]

Ixian, this is an excellent example to illustrate just how valuable a good and smart teammate is. Here is a diagram of the Fisher Plain rocks: (and I will be putting this all on my website soon, but here is a teaser)

FISHER PLAIN:

1 2 3

4 5

6 7 8

Now, rocks #2 and #3 are the "power spots". In a 4 player game, there will ALWAYS be someone in rocks #2 and #3. Rock #6 is the furthest away from the action. Now, lets say I am atreides and I get rock #6, and Sardcore is ordos with rock #3. Since atreides is so slow, we will SWITCH rocks. I will build on #3 and sard will build on #6. That way, my minos wont have to move all the way accross the map. You should ALWYAYS ensure the atreides player is on a rock nearest to the enemy, if possible.

Now, lets say that after we switch rocks, my scouts show that there are enemy bases in Rocks #2 and #5. If this is the case then sard will build his FIRST FACTORY in my rock (which is now #3). That way, WE will be the one double teaming rock #5. Hehe. If sard does not put his first fac on my rock (#3), then rocks #5 and #2 will double team me and I will be on the defensive (a very bad thing indeed) This is precisely how Ace and Undsputed beat me and sard last week. Sard had rock #6 and I had rock #3 and sard did not put his first fac in my rock, so we end up losing because Rocks 2 and 5 converge on me and sard couldnt get there fast enough. But we knew it was a mistake, and we rarely make that mistake.

And by the way, ANY partner that says "dont put a fac in my base" is not a team player, but a solo artist. And solo artists are the exact types of players that me and sard eat up alive. No solo artist is going to take down me and sard. Only a team will.

[IxianMace]

I understand that part about the Atreides being better at defence, and so you should always put Atreides closer to the enemy positions, but in my case, I was Ordos on rock 2, there was a Harkonnen enemy on rock 3, and an Ordos enemy on rock 5. My Ordos ally was on rock 6. Since all the units are fairly fast, and the Harkonnen don't have to travel far to get to the action, what do you think I (or my ally) should have done? After my ally's base got wiped clean, he tried to move the rock 1. I built a starport and 2 Fremen camps on rock 1 when he deployed his new construction yard there and a barracks and windtrap. Is there any way we could have come back from this almost certain defeat? I mean, by the time my ally got to rebuilding his base on rock 1, the enemy had Sardaukar Elite, Kobras, Buzzsaws, and so much stuff growling near my defensive position on the infantry rock in front of my base on rock 2, that I wished I had Chaos Lightning handy. :O ;D

[Taqwa11]

Emprworm, your statement about putting Atreides closest to the action has some merit because of Atreides' ability to defend. However, in two vs. two games, I have often played as Atreides and gotten the rock furthest from the action, and it has paid off greatly. Give a decent Atreides plenty of time to tech up and build, and you will usually have a tough time beating him in late game. We all know that Atreides is a monster in late-game. The strategy that almost always worked for me and Tenfor in four-player games was to take out the Atreides opponent first before he had time to really get going. However, when I got the rock closest to the two opponents, the story was often the same. They quickly doubled up on me and took the Atreides out quick. If two enemies can get rid of Atreides and have only an Ordos to deal with, they will usually win. Of course, the only time that ever didn't prove true for us was when we played against Ace. I quickly took out his partner, but Ace then took out Tenfor and eventually me as well simply because of his exceptional skill and experience.