MrFlibble Posted May 27, 2009 Share Posted May 27, 2009 I've decided to do a separate topic about this, because the explanation of the "team bug" I gave in this thread doesn't contain much detail. I discovered the information about the "team bug" in the documentation for Shagrath's Dune 2 Scenario Editor 1.0 (you can download it here under the title "Dune II Scenario Editor"). Here's the exact passage from the document: Now let's talk about the hardest one (in my opinion) option - Teams. Here's the answer to one question. You may ask: "Why after I've loaded and saved the original Dune 2 scenario it became very difficult?". The reason for that is the bug in Dune 2 which caused old scenarios to be easier. There were actually no teams. Computer was just building units and sending them immediately (except infantry). Ok. Here's original line from old Scenario: 0=Atreides,Normal,Track,2,3 (don't worry about all this) the new one is: 0=Atreides,Normal,Tracked,2,3 See the difference? Ok. Now in this example "Tracked" is called the "Source" of team. It means that all tracked vehicles (except MCV and Harvester) can be assigned to this team. "Normal" is called "Type" in my editor and means how units in this team will react. These can be "Normal,Kamikaze,Staging,Flee". In original scenarios there were used only 2 of these - "Normal" and "Kamikaze". I can only guess what can these mean and so are you. Just try them and if you like the effect - use them. Also, don't ask me about the numbers at the end as I'm not sure about them. In other words, each scenario (mission) file in Dune II contains simple scripts for AI behavior. The incorrect spelling of "unit movement type" variables that accounted for vehicles resulted in disabling these scripts, which, in turn, reduced game difficulty. As far as I know, this issue is not covered (at least in detail) anywhere else. As for the team types (Normal, Kamikaze, Staging, Flee), the first two that are actually used in the game differ in that units in a Normal team can retreat and amass near the enemy compound, as if guarding it, while the Kamikaze team, as the name suggests, attack the player until either all player's buildings and units are destroyed (there's a priority hierarchy which determines the AI's choice of targets), or the team itself is wiped out. More info about the AI team types in Dune II can be found here and here. Here's a couple of screenshots showing AI attack teams in action: Atreides vehicles storm a Harkonnen player's base Sardaukar, Ordos and Fremen overwhelming a Mercenary base (from Super Dune II: Classic Edition) More screenshots can be found here: http://www.cnc-comm.com/community/index.php?action=mgallery;sa=album;id=31 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nyerguds Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 Second image is broken, but it's still on archive.org: https://web.archive.org/web/20120729091207if_/http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/6905/overwhelmed2.png 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrFlibble Posted July 2, 2019 Author Share Posted July 2, 2019 Thanks for digging it up! ImageShack turned out to be a major letdown after all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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