Bomb Makers have to eat too.

[Dude_Doc]

Again, the US government spends more on Social Security and welfare than it does on the military by a substantial amount.

Indeed. I think you're starting to see what kind of number that is spent on bypassing the problem instead of facing it.

[Wolf]

I hoenstly don't know what you mean with that comment. There are so many layers of potential politicization that I can't really cut through them all.

[Faetarius]

Can I just get some ideas straight here:

1) The US was right to invade Iraq without either the evidence of WMDs or the agreement of the UN

2) It's perfectly reasonable to spend vast amounts of money on said war to grab the oil *cough* I mean liberate the people

3) Terrorists = evil people who have no concepts of negotiation, and so are not worth even talking to

4) The terrorist attacks that happen area a major threat to world/country stability, and so attaking  an Arab country will stop/discourage these attacks

5) The removal of Saddam Hussain was suddenly alright after 7 years (at least) of allowing his regime to continue because he had *obvious* links to terrorism

Anyone see anything wrong with this picture?

And Gunwounds, I seriously take issue with your views that "Might makes right" and that "Forceful action causes obedience and so leads to peace. The voilent application of might, the killing of innocents, and the "above the law" attitude are more or less exactly what Hussein himself is guilty of.

(And before you ask, no I don't think that Saddam Hussein was a good guy, I simply agree that there are much, much better solutions than simply illegally wading into Iraq with no reconstruction plan and hoping that everything will conspire to show that the US was right in the end.)

[Andrew]

Not to mention that the administration is all about propaganda and bad economic policies.

I'll probably say it three more times. See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/05/20050524-3.html

Is it just me or are the insurgents killing more people lately? Shouldn't the insurgency be dieing down since they end up blowing themselves up and since there are many arrests/killing of insurgents?

1682 dead, 12000+ wounded and recuitment is down.

[Dude_Doc]

Is it just me or are the insurgents killing more people lately? Shouldn't the insurgency be dieing down since they end up blowing themselves up and since there are many arrests/killing of insurgents?

I think the more funnier thing is that on (mostly) CNN, Fox and sometimes BBC, they talk so much about success and how they captured this and that. It has been now, what, 2,5 years? They're still fighting...

Propaganda TV, that's what it is...

[Faetarius]

And reading the paper today for Modern Studies I came across a recent survey about the war in Iraq. Apparently about 52% of Americans want out of Iraq.

The real kicker for me is that 4/10 people likened this conflict to Vietnam. The US is really not suceeding in convicing people about this invasion.

[Megashrap]

"Propaganda TV, that's what it is..."

If this is the case, then could'nt using the same media sources to further support and aid your view of this topic be seen just as Propaganda driven also?

[Dude_Doc]

If this is the case, then could'nt using the same media sources to further support and aid your view of this topic be seen just as Propaganda driven also?

Yes, the irony of it all...