Collapse of the economy

[Emperor Harkonnen]

I only buy coca cola and microsoft products to support the large companies ;D

[nemafakei]

"Anyone can be rich, luck is all you need"

That is the problem. Anyone can become rich, no matter how arroganty you are, no matter how mercenary you are, and so on, anyone can become poor, no matter how hard you work, no matter how kind you are, no matter how useful you make yourself to society...

It's just luck.

Would you not rather live in a world whereby people were rewarded for being and encouraged to be helpful to society? Surely there should be some positive correlation between how hard you work for others' benefit and how much you receive?

[Acriku]

Also perhaps in accordance with the necessity of it, in the society (like Waste Management).

[Caid Ivik]

"Anyone can be rich, luck is all you need"

That is the problem. Anyone can become rich, no matter how arroganty you are, no matter how mercenary you are, and so on, anyone can become poor, no matter how hard you work, no matter how kind you are, no matter how useful you make yourself to society...

It's just luck.

Would you not rather live in a world whereby people were rewarded for being and encouraged to be helpful to society? Surely there should be some positive correlation between how hard you work for others' benefit and how much you receive?

Being rich doesn't mean you are instantly happy, of course. People don't honor mafia lords, for example.

[Acriku]

Being financially stable through hard work and legal means, should make anyone happy.

[Dude_Doc]

Being financially stable through hard work and legal means, should make anyone happy.

I think he ment that even if you have all the money, your life don't necessary have to be happy. What if you're unlucky in love, or, don't "look good" (refering to that you are "unattractive" to respective male/females out there).

And even if you do have all these things, there are still the problem with the market. Other global problems like wars and suffering. I don't believe everyone will be "happy" (refering to happy with everything), well not really, until we have peace on Earth.

[Acriku]

Why don't we use a more specific term - financially satisfied? "Happy" doesn't give much to you.

[nemafakei]

"Being rich doesn't mean you are instantly happy, of course. People don't honor mafia lords, for example"

"I think he ment that even if you have all the money, your life don't necessary have to be happy. What if you're unlucky in love, or, don't "look good" (refering to that you are "unattractive" to respective male/females out there)."

I can't solve every problem! I can only design a system to even out differences.

[Edric O]

Being rich doesn't mean you are instantly happy, of course. People don't honor mafia lords, for example.

That's a pathetic excuse for the effects of capitalism. Material wealth might not bring happiness, but you can't say that being a billionaire who lives in opulence and luxury is the same as being a homeless beggar.

You said that "anyone can be rich, luck is all you need". And you are perfectly right. This is, in fact, one of the greatest evils of capitalism. The only thing you need in order to get rich is luck. As Nema said:

That is the problem. Anyone can become rich, no matter how arroganty you are, no matter how mercenary you are, and so on, anyone can become poor, no matter how hard you work, no matter how kind you are, no matter how useful you make yourself to society...

It's just luck.

Would you not rather live in a world whereby people were rewarded for being and encouraged to be helpful to society? Surely there should be some positive correlation between how hard you work for others' benefit and how much you receive?

[Acriku]

How does involving chance into the system make it inherently evil?

[Edric O]

How does involving chance into the system make it inherently evil?

Because it is inherently evil to reward or punish people for no other reason than just dumb luck. It's like playing Russian Roulette with millions of lives.

[Acriku]

Chance isn't the only factor, you should know that. In fact, chance is more or less dependent on what the higher-level management decides, so it isn't really "luck".

[Caid Ivik]

Bah, EdricO, if wealth isn't your cause, then what is cause of communism? You've shot the goal to bad net: the happiest people known are Bengals, I would say they are one of the poorest. If this form of happiness is by communists offered, a state where all are poor, than thanks. Luck can be affected; forced equality of castes can't.

[nemafakei]

Perhaps 'quality of life' is a better term to use.

Caid, you make a mistake: although it is agreed that riches will not necessarily make someone happy, that does equate to saying that poverty *will* encourages happiness!

[Caid Ivik]

I was paraphrasing EdricO, if you haven't found out. I would say that no one is materially happy: poor are jealing for richer's wealth, rich lusting for more. But of course, we can't say it about everyone, tough I don't know the number of them.

[Edric O]

You seem to have an amazingly short memory, Caid. It was YOU who argued that wealth doesn't bring happiness:

Being rich doesn't mean you are instantly happy, of course. People don't honor mafia lords, for example.

To which I replied:

That's a pathetic excuse for the effects of capitalism. Material wealth might not bring happiness, but you can't say that being a billionaire who lives in opulence and luxury is the same as being a homeless beggar.

So please try to at least keep your arguments coherent. The purpose of communism is to increase wealth and standards of living for all the people. To maximize happiness and minimize suffering.

[Caid Ivik]

You are confusing me: where I had negated it? Or you just think it would be nice if you'll repeat it? Or you want to add something? Use "modify" button next time.