A world wide nightmare coming in 2008?

[DukeLeto]

Ah, so intense bombing for over 2 years isn't a "War", but a few days of such is? Hmmm... ::)

of course intense bombing for over 2 years is a war. But thats nothing that Bush did. Do you have some proof of this "intense bombing?" Bombing the capital city is definately a war. When did Bush bomb bagdad? Clinton did. And clinton sought what congressional approval? Clinton brought what before the UN? ::) ::)

Ahem:

In February 2001 Bush approved intensive air strikes against Iraq in the first military action of his presidency. American and British warplanes bombed Iraqi military command sites in and around the capital of Baghdād.

-Microsoft® Encarta® Reference Library 2003. © 1993-2002 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

::) ::)

Oh yeah, almost forgot:

lib·er·al

adj

1. broad-minded: tolerant of different views and standards of behavior in others

2. politics progressive politically or socially: favoring gradual reform, especially political reforms that extend democracy, distribute wealth more evenly, and protect the personal freedom of the individual

3. generous: generous with money, time, or some other asset

My great-aunt was liberal in her bequests.

4. generous in quantity: large in size or amount

a liberal helping

5. language not literal: not limited to the literal meaning in translation or interpretation

6. arts culturally oriented: concerned with general cultural matters and broadening of the mind rather than professional or technical study

a liberal education

7. history of political liberalism: relating to a political ideology of liberalism

n (plural lib·er·als)

liberal person: somebody who favors tolerance or reform

[14th century. Via French from Latin liberalis , from liber “free” (source of English liberty). The underlying sense is “suitable for a free (later wellbred) person.”]

-Microsoft® Encarta® Reference Library 2003. © 1993-2002 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

[emprworm]

FEB 16, 2001: United States and British warplanes attacked five Iraqi anti-aircraft radar control sites around Baghdad source: CNN

CLINTON, 1998:

30,000 troops

40 ships

300 planes

400+ tomohawk missles

600+ sorties with untold amounts of precision bombing

::) ::) ::)

[DukeLeto]

FEB 16, 2001: United States and British warplanes attacked five Iraqi anti-aircraft radar control sites around Baghdad source: CNN

And what about every day since? We have been bombing them continuously since. Source: Newsweek.

And CNN has earned the moniker "Conservative News Network" for a reason...Try picking up a newspaper for once. ::)

Edit: Oh yeah, how could I forget? Silly me.

lib·er·al

adj

1. broad-minded: tolerant of different views and standards of behavior in others

2. politics progressive politically or socially: favoring gradual reform, especially political reforms that extend democracy, distribute wealth more evenly, and protect the personal freedom of the individual

3. generous: generous with money, time, or some other asset

My great-aunt was liberal in her bequests.

4. generous in quantity: large in size or amount

a liberal helping

5. language not literal: not limited to the literal meaning in translation or interpretation

6. arts culturally oriented: concerned with general cultural matters and broadening of the mind rather than professional or technical study

a liberal education

7. history of political liberalism: relating to a political ideology of liberalism

n (plural lib·er·als)

liberal person: somebody who favors tolerance or reform

[14th century. Via French from Latin liberalis , from liber “free” (source of English liberty). The underlying sense is “suitable for a free (later wellbred) person.”]

-Microsoft® Encarta® Reference Library 2003. © 1993-2002 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

[emprworm]

the UN has been defending itself in Iraqi no-fly zones for 12 years. ::) UN supported, and not protested by anyone. Routine skirmishes typical of Iraq and nothing out of the ordinary ::)

routine skirmish that the UN is involved in and that no one protests vs.

CLINTON, 1998:

30,000 troops

40 ships

300 planes

400+ tomohawk missles

600+ sorties with untold amounts of precision bombing

::) ::) ::)

[DukeLeto]

You're the only one protesting that. ::) the UN never tried to stop him; indeed, several members helped during that attack.

And what Bush is doing are not "routine skirmishses". He specifically ordered increased miltary actions against Iraq.

Oh yeah:

lib·er·al

adj

1. broad-minded: tolerant of different views and standards of behavior in others

2. politics progressive politically or socially: favoring gradual reform, especially political reforms that extend democracy, distribute wealth more evenly, and protect the personal freedom of the individual

3. generous: generous with money, time, or some other asset

My great-aunt was liberal in her bequests.

4. generous in quantity: large in size or amount

a liberal helping

5. language not literal: not limited to the literal meaning in translation or interpretation

6. arts culturally oriented: concerned with general cultural matters and broadening of the mind rather than professional or technical study

a liberal education

7. history of political liberalism: relating to a political ideology of liberalism

n (plural lib·er·als)

liberal person: somebody who favors tolerance or reform

[14th century. Via French from Latin liberalis , from liber “free” (source of English liberty). The underlying sense is “suitable for a free (later wellbred) person.”]

-Microsoft® Encarta® Reference Library 2003. © 1993-2002 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

[emprworm]

the only increase "ordered" is because Iraq stepped up its attacks on allied aircraft thanks to Billy Clinton's personal war.

"On February 1st 1999, Saddam Hussein announces a $14,000 reward for any Iraqi who shoots down an Allied aircraft. " http://www.britains-smallwars.com/gulf/DesertFox.html

in addition, it was a direct result of CLinton's personal war that caused Iraq to disregard the no-fly zones forcing the UN to step up self-defense measures. ::) too bad Clinton couldn't even do his job right. ::)

"Desert Fox was the codename for a series of strikes launched in the midst of the impeachment effort of President Clinton. I'll let you be the judge as to why it took place, and why it ended almost as quickly as it began."

lol! We all know why CLinton carpet bombed Iraq. Remember that when the Monika Lewinsky story first broke, he bombed Afghanistan too! ::)

wow, what a President! ::)

[DukeLeto]

Hmm...Rescession starts, Dubya bombs Afghanistan. ::)

But we could debate this for ten pages, and were would we be? Still right here, arguing semantics. What good does it do? Truce? 8)

[emprworm]

semantics? SEMANTICS? LOL.

CLINTON, 1998:

30,000 troops

40 ships

300 planes

400+ tomohawk missles

600+ sorties with untold amounts of precision bombing

Clinton: no approval from congress for war with Iraq, no UN diplomacy. did not inform security council of his actions.

You'd think that anyone who is launching 400 tomahawk missles and 600 sorties at a country would at LEAST notify the security council first! ::)

there are no semantics here.

"On February 1st 1999, Saddam Hussein announces a $14,000 reward for any Iraqi who shoots down an Allied aircraft."

Its no wonder that Iraqi's are increasing their aggressive and hostile acts towards allied planes in the no-fly zones.

"Rescession starts, Dubya bombs Afghanistan. " huh? Are you trying to tell me that removing that Taliban was wrong?

remember: Clinton bombed afghanistan, did nothing.

Bush completed the Job, cleaning up Clinton's mess. (9/11 would have been averted had Clinton did the job right)

[DukeLeto]

Let's just say the timing was a wee bit suspect... ::)

lib·er·al

adj

1. broad-minded: tolerant of different views and standards of behavior in others

2. politics progressive politically or socially: favoring gradual reform, especially political reforms that extend democracy, distribute wealth more evenly, and protect the personal freedom of the individual

3. generous: generous with money, time, or some other asset

My great-aunt was liberal in her bequests.

4. generous in quantity: large in size or amount

a liberal helping

5. language not literal: not limited to the literal meaning in translation or interpretation

6. arts culturally oriented: concerned with general cultural matters and broadening of the mind rather than professional or technical study

a liberal education

7. history of political liberalism: relating to a political ideology of liberalism

n (plural lib·er·als)

liberal person: somebody who favors tolerance or reform

[14th century. Via French from Latin liberalis , from liber “free” (source of English liberty). The underlying sense is “suitable for a free (later wellbred) person.”]

-Microsoft® Encarta® Reference Library 2003. © 1993-2002 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

[DukeLeto]

(9/11 would have been averted had Clinton did the job right)

I doubt it. The Taliban did not supply Al-Queada with planes. They did not teach them how to fly those planes. Defeating the Taliban simply p*ssed off a lot of muslims...how would that have stopped 9/11? Made it sooner, maybe, but not stopped it. ::)

lib·er·al

adj

1. broad-minded: tolerant of different views and standards of behavior in others

2. politics progressive politically or socially: favoring gradual reform, especially political reforms that extend democracy, distribute wealth more evenly, and protect the personal freedom of the individual

3. generous: generous with money, time, or some other asset

My great-aunt was liberal in her bequests.

4. generous in quantity: large in size or amount

a liberal helping

5. language not literal: not limited to the literal meaning in translation or interpretation

6. arts culturally oriented: concerned with general cultural matters and broadening of the mind rather than professional or technical study

a liberal education

7. history of political liberalism: relating to a political ideology of liberalism

n (plural lib·er·als)

liberal person: somebody who favors tolerance or reform

[14th century. Via French from Latin liberalis , from liber “free” (source of English liberty). The underlying sense is “suitable for a free (later wellbred) person.”]

-Microsoft® Encarta® Reference Library 2003. © 1993-2002 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

[emprworm]

"Let's just say the timing was a wee bit suspect... "

yea, try December 2001 2 months after the US was attacked by an organization headed in Afghanistan. Thats pretty good timing. And Bush did the job Clinton didn't.

Now, what was clinton's timing for Afghanistan? Monica Lewinsky. He launches a few missles, kills some innocent afghans...ooohhh ::) Taliban still in power. Al-Queda laughs at the "clinton joke".

Clinton carpet bombs Iraq in full all out "unofficial war" w/o any congressional approval or public allied diplmoacy.

What was Clinton's timing for Iraq? Impeachment. ::)

yea, I think Clinton had some pretty "strange" timing. Killing people to cover up his own blunders. ::)

[nemafakei]

What's the point in discussion if neither side listens and both repeats the same thing over and over again?