Obama's record

[Gwizz]

I spent time on Obama's web site last might.

I can't see how tax payers can pay for every thing Obama's has promised to give us. 

The US has a 3 trillion dollar annual budget.  It has been estimated that if Obama is elected and keeps his promises

The US will need a 4 trillion dollar annual Budget.  Since Obama said he will reduce taxes for most people and only add taxes for the very rich, he will in fact force the rich to move business off shore even more than it has now.  This will  cost many people their US jobs.  It is the investment of capital by the rich that creates jobs.

Looking at the big picture, Obama's plans reinforce the one world government plan. Recently the government has been moving deeper into big business ownership.  This is a mistake. Bigger government is a negative and in the past has created corruption at numerous levels and in government.  Although, Obama did say he wanted to be president of the world.

I noticed that Obama's birth certificate has been repaired.

If it is a photo shop forgery the main item that made it that way was that the certificate number was out of sync with the date of his birth.  It was in sync with the date of his sisters birth date. 

It would have been easy to take his sister birth certificate and change the name and dates in photo shop.

How did Obama's team fix this problem.  They just blacked out the certificate number.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jun/27/obamas-birth-certificate-part-ii/

There is a lot more that concerns me; But the wife calls.  Later

[maddog]

I can't see how tax payers can pay for every thing Obama's has promised to give us.

Or McCain for that matter. Luckily, the budget has to go through Congress so in the end promises are just words that the legislative process will cull. The only real difference between the two is what they are promising. Spend $$$ on corporate welfare and bullets or social programs inside the US. It's a tough choice.

This will  cost many people their US jobs.  It is the investment of capital by the rich that creates jobs.

This game is already over. By it's nature capitalism goes to where the labor costs the least. That's why the textiles industry left Scanton, PA and is now in Mexico and other 3rd world nations. Basically, if you are an unskilled worker, be ready to ask people if they would like fries with that.

Bigger government is a negative and in the past has created corruption at numerous levels and in government.

Strangely, the Reagan Republicans that we have today are all for big government. Bigger than the Democrats. It makes those 1970's socialist Democrats look cheap! It's because of the insane support of the military industrial complex. Eisenhower warned us about that at the end of his term. It would have been nice if someone had listened. (use google with "Eisenhower military industrial complex"). I think the second hit is the youtube video of this speech but I'm at work and can't watch it now). As for scandals.... The last eight years has be awful. :(

I noticed that Obama's birth certificate has been repaired.

I'm not certain how some website defacing a birth certificate is all that important. (It's like being upset over where McCain was born. It's not part of the USA anymore.) It's hard to say what the number is. Maybe an SS#. In any event, that's a number that shouldn't be on the 'net with all of the identity theft these days.

--Ray.

[Gwizz]

I'm not certain how some website defacing a birth certificate is all that important. (It's like being upset over where McCain was born. It's not part of the USA anymore.) It's hard to say what the number is. Maybe an SS#. In any event, that's a number that shouldn't be on the 'net with all of the identity theft these days.

The birth certificate is proof of citizenship.  And, gives with it the right to run for president.

Each Certificate has a specific number different than all other certificates.

It is normal practice to have numbers printed consecutively in booklets.

All babies born on the same day will normally have certificates with consecutive numbers.

Obama's certificate number was not consecutive with the babies born on the same day he was born.

Where the number was blacked out is where the certificate number was located. 

Originally the number was not blacked out. 

IMHO Originally someone goofed and didn't change it with the other information that was changed.

I suppose Obama's thinking is that the liberal judges that were appointed by Democrats, will throw out any charges brought against him for fraud.  Which could be true in the cesspool of government we have today.

Than again maybe the person filling out the certificates simply picked up a different booklet of printed certificates so that the one certificate for Obama could have a different non-consecutive number.  Obama refuses to release the medical birth records from anywhere that might have been his birth place.  It seems so easy for him to prove.  What is he afraid of.

the budget has to go through Congress so in the end any promises are just words that the legislative process will cull

Or change to a liberal view point.  since the Senate is controlled by the Liberals and has been for the last 4 years.  New laws or the lack of them will lay on the Liberal heads as they have been for the last 4 years.  If Obama becomes president I doubt he will have a problem keeping his plans for taxing us.

Strangely, the Reagan Republicans that we have today are all for big government. Bigger than the Democrats.

Not bigger than the Democrats.  The Liberals believe in controlling the people, which has always given us a much larger government and higher taxes. 

The last eight years has be awful

The last 16 years has been awful. 

Quote by Gwizz,

It is the investment of capital by the rich that creates jobs

This game is already over

Not yet, there are still roughly 95% of the people who are still employed.

[maddog]

The birth certificate is proof of citizenship.

You missed my point. A website created that birth certificate. That's where the fraud is. Don't believe them. They are lying to you.

Not bigger than the Democrats.

That's not true. It went up under Reagan, Stayed about the same level under Bush, down slightly under Clinton, and skyrocketed under Bush II.

The last 16 years has been awful.

I guess I can't argue that. The second term of every President seems to have at least two scandals.

Not yet, there are still roughly 95% of the people who are still employed.

We'll always have a high employment percentage but what kind of jobs. The unskilled workers are in trouble but that's old news. They were the ones I was referring too. They've been in trouble for many more years than I've been alive. :)

[Gwizz]

Another piece of wisdom sent to me today.

You couldn't get a job at McDonalds      and become district manager after 143 days of experience.

 

You couldn't become chief of surgery      after 143 days of  experience of being a surgeon.

 

You couldn't get a job as a teacher      and be the superintendent after 143 days of experience.

 

You couldn't join the military    and become a colonel after a 143 days of experience.

 

You couldn't get a job as a reporter      and become the nightly news anchor after 143 days of experience.

   

  BUT....

'From the time Barack Obama was sworn in as a United States Senator, to the time he announced he was forming a Presidential exploratory committee, he logged 143 days of experience in  the Senate. That's how many days the Senate was actually in session and working.  After 143 days of work experience, Obama believed he was ready to be Commander In Chief, Leader of the Free World ..... 143 days.

We all have to start somewhere. The senate is a good start, but after 143 days, that's all it is - a start.

AND, strangely, a large sector of the American  public is okay with this and campaigning for him. We wouldn't accept this in our own line of work, yet some are okay with this for the President of the United States of America? Come on folks, we are not voting for the next American Idol!

[thomasjordan]

"We are not voting for the next American Idol!"

We aren't?  It sure seems like it.

[Hawk]

"We are not voting for the next American Idol!"

We aren't?  It sure seems like it.

ROTFL I know that's right!  ;D

[maddog]

Another piece of wisdom sent to me today.

Apples and oranges. It seems that the person who sent you this "wisdom" wanted to mislead you. Remember just because X is true and Y is true, it does not mean that anything about Z.

--Ray.

[djf01]

You couldn't get a job at McDonalds      and become district manager after 143 days of experience.

 

You couldn't become chief of surgery      after 143 days of  experience of being a surgeon.

 

You couldn't get a job as a teacher      and be the superintendent after 143 days of experience.

 

You couldn't join the military    and become a colonel after a 143 days of experience.

 

You couldn't get a job as a reporter      and become the nightly news anchor after 143 days of experience.

So what are you saying GWIZZ?  The American President should be appointed by seniority rather than elected?

   

[Gwizz]

Oh come on you two.  I'm sure you understand the point.

[maddog]

Oh come on you two.  I'm sure you understand the point.

I'm sorry Gwizz but I don't. None of that meant anything. For the record, using your examples, McCain couldn't be President because he doesn't have the right experience to work at McDonalds, be a surgeon, be a teacher, or be a reporter either. The only one that's close is the military but that's only because he's a veteran. Unfortunately, the military wouldn't take him at his age and health.

--Ray.

[Gwizz]

If you don't understand than I can't help you.  ???

Many military men have become president.

Few young men have. Many old men have because of their wisdom. 

I believe Obama is the youngest to try.

[maddog]

If you don't understand than I can't help you???

I am just countering bad information that you have presented in support of your position. If I understand you correctly, you are trying to compare various jobs to being a Senator (in the last tid-bit). They aren't equal comparisons. BTW, He was a state Senator from 1997 to 2004 before he was a US Senator (2004-Present), so I don't think 143 is a correct number days. That's just a little less than 5 months!  :)

Many military men have become president.

True. See we can agree on some things! :) Although, they weren't all good Presidents. I'm thinking of the Grant administration but that's just going too far into the past! :)

Few young men have. Many old men have because of their wisdom.

Also could be true. I think charisma also has much to do with it. JFK was the first super-star candidate.

I believe Obama is the youngest to try.

Actually it was JFK. He was 44. Obama is 47.

--Ray.

[Gwizz]

You are correct.  Obama was a state Senate in Illinois.  I forgot.

See what he did:

http://wizbangblog.com/content/2008/08/04/obamas-accomplishments-as-illinois-state-senator.php

[djf01]

Oh come on you two.  I'm sure you understand the point.

The "point", as best as I can make it, is candidates for US President should have previous presidential experience.  Given that term limits and restrictions on foreign candidates apply, that leaves only 2 candidates with sufficient experience to meet your criteria (assuming there is an implicit one: that the candidate be alive):

Republicans: George Bush

Democrats: James Carter

Though perhaps if Nancy Regan's astrologer is still around they might also qualify :-).

[Gwizz]

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D  In the true democratic spirit.  ???  ???

[Gwizz]

I challenge someone to find something positive that Obama has done in either the Illinois or the US senate.

In Illinois he spent his time serving his crooked underworld cronies.

For the 143 days he spent in the US Senate he did do something.  He was making plans to run for president.

He was given a committee to run and ignored it.  When he voted, IMHO his vote was not positive.

[maddog]

I challenge someone to find something positive that Obama has done in either the Illinois or the US senate.

You're making it too easy. This is the first place everyone should go for this information.

http://obama.senate.gov

--Ray.

EDIT: Found his voting record in Thomas's...

http://obama.senate.gov/votes

[Gwizz]

Thank you for the links.

The first one I have already read most of it.

The voting record was interesting.   he didn't seem to be a very active voter.

I looked at the first 40 issues to be voted upon.

Obama did NOT vote on 33 of them. 

Of the 7 he did vote for, 5 related to parts of one major issue, the Surveillance Act of 1978.  His 7 votes were all Yea.

4 passed 3 rejected. 

If I remember correctly the people took a hit with changes made to the Surveillance Act.

Even before the changes were made, the government didn't hesitate placing bugs when they want to.

So it really didn't mean much.  For the other two Yea votes they made minor changes in social issues.

For the rest of his votes when I have more time I will look at them as well. 

[maddog]

Thank you for the links.

You're welcome. :)

I looked at the first 40 issues to be voted upon.

Obama did NOT vote on 33 of them. 

Probably because he started running for President. I'd bet a dollar that McCain's record looks the same. Here's where I noticed that he was in DC voting on stuff.

http://obama.senate.gov/votes/index.cfm?start=101

--Ray.

[Gwizz]

OBAMA'S 109TH LIBERAL CONGRESS WAS TAGGED AS A DO NOTHING CONGRESS.  LONG AGO, I think the 50th congress or there abouts was also tagged as a do nothing congress as well. 

SO OBAMA WAS NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO DIDN'T EARN HIS PAY.  AND, PLANNING TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT WAS PROBABLY THE REASON OBAMA WAS NOT ACTIVE.

MCCAIN SEEMS TO HAVE BEEN AN ACTIVE MEMBER OF CONGRESS.  BUT, WITH THE 109TH CONGRESS ON VACATION SO MUCH OF THE TIME, I WAS SURPRISED MCCAIN COULD EVEN HAVE BEEN ACTIVE.

[Gwizz]

Even the liberal New York Times reported on October 3, 2008:

"A review of records of the schools project and interviews with a dozen people who know both men, suggest that Mr. Obama, 47, has played down his contacts with Mr. Ayers, 63....  Mr. Obama's connections with a man who once bombed buildings and who is unapologetic about it may seem puzzling."

[Gwizz]

A lawsuit has been filed against Obama.

I don't know a lot about the details.

It seems investigators were unable to find any birth records of Obama's being born in Hawaii.

This election gets more interesting all the time. 

Now who might take his place if this is true?

[Gwizz]

Kansas City raided ACORN yesterday and identified more voter fraud.

Sure is getting interesting.

[Gwizz]

congratulation to ACORN for being able to register 100% of all citizens of Indianapolis plus another 5% so some special citizens can vote twice.