Dante Posted May 15, 2004 Posted May 15, 2004 Discrimination and enviromentalism are global. And I don't think Berg was discriminated against because of being what he was, I think he was chosen because it would make the correct statement. Besides, what is this, question Dust Scout time?
GUNWOUNDS Posted May 15, 2004 Author Posted May 15, 2004 Discrimination and enviromentalism are global. And I don't think Berg was discriminated against because of being what he was, I think he was chosen because it would make the correct statement. Besides, what is this, question Dust Scout time? hehe just bored... thats was all .. move along.. nothing to see here.
nampigai Posted May 15, 2004 Posted May 15, 2004 if it's no big deal when only one innocent man dies...then there's no need for prisons is there? afterall it's only one death why bother it's NOTHING in the big picture.
Dante Posted May 15, 2004 Posted May 15, 2004 The point of prisons isn't to punish people (or at least it shouldn't be), it's to stop them doing it again.
Wolf Posted May 15, 2004 Posted May 15, 2004 First off, I don't think there was outright murder in American prisons. Abuse and humiliation, yes. Murder, there has not been any proof as of yet.Second off, abuse is in no way any justification for the killing of any number of individuals.Third off, the killing of any number of individuals in a purposefully painful way (saw, saw, saw, saw...) while intentionally having him scream to 1) humiliate him, and to 2) frighten other Americans, is inexcusable.Fourth off, while the majority of Iraqis are good people and deserve both freedom of choice and freedom from fear, the individuals who have committed these acts of checked out of the human race. May God have mercy on their souls.
Dante Posted May 15, 2004 Posted May 15, 2004 See now you're just getting worked up about something that's not so important.
Cyborg Posted May 15, 2004 Posted May 15, 2004 A single death is a tragedy; a million deaths is a statistic.It applies everywhere.
Wolf Posted May 15, 2004 Posted May 15, 2004 So, Dust, if American forces accidently blew an Iraqi to kingdom-come with some errant piece of ordinance, you wouldn't really think it was important?
Dante Posted May 15, 2004 Posted May 15, 2004 Not really. Though I would smugly point out (as I am here) that this wouldn't have happened if the invasion had never taken place.
nampigai Posted May 15, 2004 Posted May 15, 2004 The point of prisons isn't to punish people (or at least it shouldn't be), it's to stop them doing it again. Why? what they did was just a single murder, why should they be punished, or kept from doing it again?
Dante Posted May 15, 2004 Posted May 15, 2004 Didn't I just say they shouldn't be punished by prison? It's not like it works anyway... And if they do it again it might be worse (i.e. damage enviroment, be racially motivated).
nampigai Posted May 15, 2004 Posted May 15, 2004 but DustScout it's just one murder why even bother. they may do it again yes. But maybe they wont, we could save so many money.
Dante Posted May 15, 2004 Posted May 15, 2004 Yes... that's why I'm not too fond of prisons. Sling 'em in a dungeon, that's what I say...
Cyborg Posted May 15, 2004 Posted May 15, 2004 Why? what they did was just a single murder, why should they be punished, or kept from doing it again?Although I don't get sick from watching this clip, I am completely against that kind of behaviour. You must not think that just because we say this murder drowns in the mass we don't want law breakers to get punishment.
nampigai Posted May 15, 2004 Posted May 15, 2004 A single death is a tragedy; a million deaths is a statistic.It applies everywhere. The big picture is different from that. The big picture is: How many cultures destroyed: 0How many planets wiped out: 0How many enviroments destroyed: 0How many deaths: 1Not that big a deal. Although I don't get sick from watching this clip, I am completely against that kind of behaviour. You must not think that just because we say this murder drowns in the mass we don't want law breakers to get punishment.Help out here guys...
Dante Posted May 15, 2004 Posted May 15, 2004 What exactly are you trying to say? That death should shock or horrify us? It happens all the time. If we were shocked and horrified at every death in the world we'd spend our lives sobbing. Same goes for pain.
nampigai Posted May 15, 2004 Posted May 15, 2004 thank Dustscout for clearing that out. we should do absolutely nothing, we are used to it and like to other people suffer, we've come a long way.
Cyborg Posted May 15, 2004 Posted May 15, 2004 Since "a million deaths is a statistic", we can work to get that statistic down, instead of moaning over each victim.
Cyborg Posted May 15, 2004 Posted May 15, 2004 nampigai, there is something you have to understand.To accept that people die is not the same as not caring...I accept that loads of people get murdered, and I hope each murderer gets what he deserve.
Dante Posted May 15, 2004 Posted May 15, 2004 thank Dustscout for clearing that out. we should do absolutely nothing, we are used to it and like to other people suffer, we've come a long way. On the contrary, we've gotten worse. What other animal has wars, destroys it's enviroment, has warheads and nuclear weapons, fights over things so petty as religion? The human race is possibly the worst thing that has ever happened to this planet. This is reality. I accept it.
Cyborg Posted May 15, 2004 Posted May 15, 2004 nah I'll rather deny that it ever took place.Then that is your choice.
Wolf Posted May 15, 2004 Posted May 15, 2004 Dust, you say that humanity is perhaps the worst thing that ever happened to this planet. I do not know if you are right or wrong about that, but I do know that you do not seem to be in any hurry to do anything about it. In fact, it almost seems as if you would rather have us be the most terrible creature in the universe, despite your amorality, just so that your views would be oh-so correct. This issue here is the way an innocent human being who wanted to make other human beings lives better was murdered. His death is lamentable, because he sought to make the lives of others better. You, apparently, have no such goal. Perhaps I am wrong. I do not think so, however.
Dante Posted May 15, 2004 Posted May 15, 2004 I have no goals to help the human race because I think it is beyond help. Anyone who disagrees is welcome to try and prove me wrong, but either way I come out successful. Humans may or may not be the most terrible creatures in the universe (this planet is another matter) but we're certainly not very nice. And I don't do anything about that because I can't. Why fight something that cannot be beaten?
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