GO BUSH!!! YEEAAAA!!!

[Wolf]

Someone's played Red Alert.

[GhostHunter]

Well, there's not much I can say in reply to that. Only time will tell...

But if you ask me, you should never say never.

Of course, you may be right and communism may be impossible. In that case, we'll just have to get as close to it as we can. (a combination of socialism and communism, like you just said)

Will never work, the two goverments cannot possibly mix to any noticable success.

[Edric O]

TWO governments? Where did the second one come from? Communism is a system with no government.

You don't seem to have read our discussion.

[emprworm]

TWO governments? Where did the second one come from? Communism is a system with no government.

You don't seem to have read our discussion.

lol, ya right.

communism is ALL government. It is 100% government and nothing else.

[nemafakei]

Please explain to us mere mortals how you came about this insight, o you who knows more about communism than Marx! We are unable to follow your lightning-fast thought which reveals the words 'ideal communism needs no government' actually to mean 'ideal communism needs total government'! Tell us how you avoid that most immense contradiction which is apparent to we inferiors who view what you say with our humble logic, for we have not the tools you have, tools which apparently overrideall forms of logic known to mankind!

[Sardauker-Kirov]

TWO governments? Where did the second one come from? Communism is a system with no government.

You don't seem to have read our discussion.

lol, ya right.

communism is ALL government. It is 100% government and nothing else.

Communism is probably Stalinism in your eyes, but whatever. Ignorance is bliss amongst you. ::)

[HasimirFenring]

"communism is ALL government. It is 100% government and nothing else. "

this is pure BS

lets ask my dictionary what communism means:

"A final stage of society in Marxist theory in which the state has withered away and economic goods are distributed equitably"

'withered away' doesnt sound like 100% goverment to me, but I could be wrong...

[Dante]

Sounds like bias to me.

[alchemi2]

the theology behind all political avenues is to operate at the ideal.

there is nothing wrong with the ideals of any theology.

communist, fascist, democratic or imperialistic etc etc.

all have unique quailitys and benifits.

the problem lies in the implementation of the ideals into the real world and the realitys behind them.

racial cleansing, corruption, greed, laziness etc etc.

The world and people in it are not perfect therefore you can never have the perfect society, hence you can't work to the ideal, for to achieve this you must persiqute some minority be it based on wealth, creed or colour and that persiqution does not fit the ideal.

it is not the aim of communism to make all equally poor and uneducated but the reality is so.

nor was it the aim of fascism to murder millions but in reality it was nessersary to achieve racial purity.

Laws restrict freedom but is the freedom to murder acceptable. :'(

[Dude_Doc]

In order to have a perfect communist society we need what we have less of here: trust. Unless we can trust each other, to do the right thing (for society etc), we must trust each person that he or she will do his/her work correctly. We can't monitor every person, we can't force everybody, because that's just like you said: "You don't work as good as you can with a gun pointed at your head, you work as mutch as is required to keep yourself alive".

And that's a problem. Even we, the small minoity of Dune fans, can't trust each other. How do you suppose a community with 1000 or even 100 000 of people would work?

[Edric O]

the theology behind all political avenues is to operate at the ideal.

there is nothing wrong with the ideals of any theology.

communist, fascist, democratic or imperialistic etc etc.

all have unique quailitys and benifits.

That is a very common and very flawed assumption. Each political ideology is based on different moral values than the others. And each of them has different aims. You can't say that they all all equally good, not even in theory, because each of them has its own goal, different from the goals of the others.

For example, communism seeks to create a society in which every human being has all his/her material needs met. Capitalism and fascism do not seek to create that kind of society, not even in theory.

The world and people in it are not perfect therefore you can never have the perfect society, hence you can't work to the ideal, for to achieve this you must persiqute some minority be it based on wealth, creed or colour and that persiqution does not fit the ideal.

Of course you can't have a perfect society. But there is always room for improvement. You can always have a better society. Communism and socialism are not perfect; they are only better than capitalism.

it is not the aim of communism to make all equally poor and uneducated but the reality is so.

Actually, education is one thing that even the stalinists managed to get right. During the Cold War, stalinist countries have always kept much higher standards of education than capitalist ones.

But that's not the point. The point is that the failure of socialism (not communism; communism can only come after a long period of socialism) in Russia and China (and therefore in all the countries that followed their model) was easily predictable, and Karl Marx himself warned that socialism cannot succeed in countries that hadn't even gotten out of feudalism yet.

Socialism can only work in a country that has already passed through a long stage of capitalism. And a proper democracy is absolutely vital to socialism and communism.

nor was it the aim of fascism to murder millions but in reality it was nessersary to achieve racial purity.

Actually, Hitler made it quite clear that he was going to "remove" Jews (and everyone else he didn't like) by any means necessary. Mass murder was the logical conclusion of that.