Enviromentalists

[Sardauker-Kirov]

They are ment to serve the people? I thought they were serving themselves; Seeing how they are taking advantage of their power. ::)

The government does not represent humanity in my opinion. Corrupt people are the ones that are traitors towards humanity, exploiting their fullest potential just like today's government and Capitalists are doing.

For example in my homecountry, the government barely do their jobs right.

If they're not going to do their job, then they must leave.

[Acriku]

Well, considering that the people make up the government through a form of popular consensus called an election, distinguishing government from the people hardly constitutes as valid. This is in reference to America, as I'm not aware of the processes of power and the processes of obtaining of it in our countries.

[Babylon]

1. Animals in nature 'kill' eachother to survive. HUMANS kill animals for their meat so WE will survive. They probably want us to eat bread each day, while the animals are killing eachother. Maybe they should go to nature and ask kindly to the animals to stop killing eachother and wear a old Vietnam Anti-War shirt. "Make love, not war"

As a lot of people said before me. Killing animals for meat isn't wrong imo. But doing it the way we do it now is. And we don't need meat to live. Our digestion system is to long to digest meat as it is. We aren't completly ready for meat. We can live perfectly normal without meat.

3.(If they're actually protecting them) They protect rare species, but I've heard rumours that Greenpeace and some other organizations are corrupted and are not even using the money to protect animals.

If they want to protect the animals, they should buy rifles and shoot the hunters. Simple.....

So people who want to protect animals can shoot people? That's what your saying here. Bit strange.

I support Greenpeace by making a monthly donation. And you have enough examples to see that they do use the money to protect the animals. Just watch the news ones a while.. (You know boats against whale-hunting etc.)

2) If I had my way I'd bann all cars. Think how much pollution would go down! And with the collapse of the automobile industry would come billions of [insert currency] that could be used for renewable energy research, upgrading trains and public transport, and repairing the damage already done. That's a good idea!

I so totally agree with you!!

Pim fortuin was killed by a enviromentalist. I'm not sure why, if anyone has a link of the reason I would appreciate it. ???

Don't even start to go there. All you Fortuin lovers link EVERYTHING to the murder.

"Pim Fortuin was killed by a person who watched Goede Tijden, Slechte Tijden (Dutch-soap). We should BAN that soap"

Yeah, V. van der Graaf is an enviromentalist but in this case you can't link that. Pim Fortuin was for better live-standards of animals. THERE IS NO LINK.

To summerize my whole oppinion on this thread. Animals desirve to live as much as humans do. Why, becuase humans ARE animals. (And don't go throwing some biblical bullsh*t at me. Humans are animals, mammals to be precise. Nothing less and certanly nothing more.)

[Acriku]

Since we are animals, just like the rest of them, then why should we hold back on killing them?

[Caid Ivik]

So, we should let our world die and be used up because it is immoral to do anything about it? Be rational Caid.

Do you think banning reproduction is the only way to solve the problem? I would say such ban is anything but a cure, you can't ban sex. If those chinese are so unruly in this act, why shouldn't their atheistic government support some prevention? Altough education about it would solve more. We are not animals, just some act in some things like them.

[Babylon]

Humans = mammals = animals. Can't put it anymore simple.

[Caid Ivik]

Humans = carbon = diamond. And diamonds are sometimes a definition of worthiness...

[Babylon]

That was a funny remark. One mistak though. Diamonds and humans are both forms of Carbon (Humans a bit more than that, but ok). Humans are mammals. And all mammals are animals. The remark you made is like saying: A swallow is a bird, so all birds are swallows. It doesn't work that way.

It's like programming in Java, for those of us who know how to do that ;)

[Sardauker-Kirov]

1. Animals in nature 'kill' eachother to survive. HUMANS kill animals for their meat so WE will survive. They probably want us to eat bread each day, while the animals are killing eachother. Maybe they should go to nature and ask kindly to the animals to stop killing eachother and wear a old Vietnam Anti-War shirt. "Make love, not war"

As a lot of people said before me. Killing animals for meat isn't wrong imo. But doing it the way we do it now is. And we don't need meat to live. Our digestion system is to long to digest meat as it is. We aren't completly ready for meat. We can live perfectly normal without meat.

3.(If they're actually protecting them) They protect rare species, but I've heard rumours that Greenpeace and some other organizations are corrupted and are not even using the money to protect animals.

If they want to protect the animals, they should buy rifles and shoot the hunters. Simple.....

So people who want to protect animals can shoot people? That's what your saying here. Bit strange.

I support Greenpeace by making a monthly donation. And you have enough examples to see that they do use the money to protect the animals. Just watch the news ones a while.. (You know boats against whale-hunting etc.)

2) If I had my way I'd bann all cars. Think how much pollution would go down! And with the collapse of the automobile industry would come billions of [insert currency] that could be used for renewable energy research, upgrading trains and public transport, and repairing the damage already done. That's a good idea!

I so totally agree with you!!

Pim fortuin was killed by a enviromentalist. I'm not sure why, if anyone has a link of the reason I would appreciate it. ???

Don't even start to go there. All you Fortuin lovers link EVERYTHING to the murder.

"Pim Fortuin was killed by a person who watched Goede Tijden, Slechte Tijden (Dutch-soap). We should BAN that soap"

Yeah, V. van der Graaf is an enviromentalist but in this case you can't link that. Pim Fortuin was for better live-standards of animals. THERE IS NO LINK.

To summerize my whole oppinion on this thread. Animals desirve to live as much as humans do. Why, becuase humans ARE animals. (And don't go throwing some biblical bullsh*t at me. Humans are animals, mammals to be precise. Nothing less and certanly nothing more.)

Meat is still a product that can be consumed and is important to food products.

If we only ate bread and non meat products, people would easily consume all of the bread and outrun production.

Renewable energy or things that fit into this category can't be discovered within a day you know, for something like this you would need years to discover.

Cars work for me right now and I see no problem with them, well they're a nuisance in Holland though. :)

Do you even live in Holland? He was killed by various reasons by this moronic person, taking away the life and dreams of a person.

Because he doesn't agree with his ideas. ::)

Atleast Pim was honest about most of his ideas.

[Babylon]

Meat is still a product that can be consumed and is important to food products.

If we only ate bread and non meat products, people would easily consume all of the bread and outrun production.

A very true lie!!! If we didn't eat animals anymore we would save enough other food that our animals now eat to feed the world far more than we do today. From the grain a cow eat a day you could feed 10 persons.

Renewable energy or things that fit into this category can't be discovered within a day you know, for something like this you would need years to discover.

Cars work for me right now and I see no problem with them, well they're a nuisance in Holland though. :)

No they can't be found in a day. They allready have. It's called solar power, wind power and water power. I guess you might have read about it.

Do you even live in Holland? He was killed by various reasons by this moronic person, taking away the life and dreams of a person.

Because he doesn't agree with his ideas. ::)

Atleast Pim was honest about most of his ideas.

Pim Fortuin said what the people wanted to hear. I'm not entiarly sure if he was honest about them or just was looking for power as so manny men do. But we handled Pim Fortuin a while back, that topic was closed due to massive racism...

[Sardauker-Kirov]

Meat is still a product that can be consumed and is important to food products.

If we only ate bread and non meat products, people would easily consume all of the bread and outrun production.

A very true lie!!! If we didn't eat animals anymore we would save enough other food that our animals now eat to feed the world far more than we do today. From the grain a cow eat a day you could feed 10 persons.

Renewable energy or things that fit into this category can't be discovered within a day you know, for something like this you would need years to discover.

Cars work for me right now and I see no problem with them, well they're a nuisance in Holland though. :)

No they can't be found in a day. They allready have. It's called solar power, wind power and water power. I guess you might have read about it.

Do you even live in Holland? He was killed by various reasons by this moronic person, taking away the life and dreams of a person.

Because he doesn't agree with his ideas. ::)

Atleast Pim was honest about most of his ideas.

Pim Fortuin said what the people wanted to hear. I'm not entiarly sure if he was honest about them or just was looking for power as so manny men do. But we handled Pim Fortuin a while back, that topic was closed due to massive racism...

So what? Meat still feeds us, you can't change my point of view of that. We might see what would happen if all farm animals are struck by a disease.

There are many problems with the energy you named. Solar energy or any other energies is that the people or government probably will refuse to use it for various reasons.

In Holland there are people using Wind mills as power generators.

Tell me, what is so racist about stating the facts?

This is my own country and I'm not allowed to state my opinion?

Many Dutch people thinks that way too many immigrants are coming to our country, even Pim fortuyn himself thought that there are too many in Holland right now.

So if I immigrated into a Arab country and if they think their country is getting too filled, then they are racist too?

You know what a racist actually means? It means that they dislike different races/hair/looks/skin etc.

Take a look at the clux clux clan and the Neo-Nazi organizations, THOSE are REAL racists.

[Babylon]

As I said before: I won't go in to that AGAIN.