everything but the purpose

[TMA_1]

rarely does somebody understand the doctern of evil. Evil is not sin, and shouldnt be equated with it. Evil is the act of independance from God. Evil is the position of a person to do good or evil works based on human works. Sins are the actions one does while in the mode of evil. Christ died for all humanity and sin was clensed. the second advent says that christ will come to judge the "works" of man. He will set humankind up and show them their own works. Those works for good or for bad will all be burned if they never believed in christ. This is the destruction of Evil.

Nav, you said yourself that you backed off from christianity when a friend of yours God fundimentalist. You said that christianity is silly in about 3 posts you made. You openly defy christians, then attack them if you feel like being an ass to others.lol I mean dont you realize how silly it is? You stir pots, make things difficult for everybody because you are either nuts, or you think it is funny. and then you are nuts for enjoying something so demented...

"The greatest trick the devil ever pulled, was making the world believe he didn't exist"

-The Usual Suspects

damn good movie and damn good quote scrinlord.

"A "Christian" who does not actively fight against everything that God says is wrong with this world is no Christian at all. Such a person does not believe what God has said in the Bible, nor does he obey God's commands of him to stand up for righteousness no matter what the cost."

another thing nav, look above. You are so transparent, and I see right though what you are doing. You say these ultra fundimentalist things, these ultra concervitive and legalistic things. You do so because you want other christians to agree with you, you want other christians to accept that your view of christianity is correct. You do this because you secretly want to subvert christianity. YOu want to slandor it and you figure the best way to do so is by flushing out people who you act like, so that the name of christ isnt glorified. beh, you need to grow up.lol

[Acriku]

I don't understand that quote TMA, do you guys not believe in Satan anymore?

Also, how is evil the act of independence of god, when god is omnipresent?

[TMA_1]

Satan is obviously existant and is very powerful. The bible says though that the greatest enemy is the flesh, the sin nature. Ourselves basically.

WE become independant of God. That is what I said acriku.

God gave us a free will, generally free will allows a person to make various choices. In the end they are either for or against God's will.

One of the prophets said that God planned around the free will of humanity. At the same time though he created humanity with a free will so he had dominance over that free will.

it is rather zen to think about, but basically we can become independant of God because if we couldnt we wouldnt be in this situation, and I wouldnt be talking to you right now.

we wouldnt exist, angels would still rule and be prime beings of the universe

[Acriku]

Either for or against god's will. Hmm, against god's will sounds to me like sinning. Hmm?

[Scrinlord]

Going against Gods will IS sinning.

And you dont understand the quote? Which one? The:

The greatest trick the devil ever pulled, was making the world believe he didnt exist.

Basically, it means that a larg portion of the nowadays does not believe in the being of Satan, or Lucifer, or the Devil, or whatever you want to call him. When people believe that there is nothing to be afraid of, except for their own basic nature, they put their guard down and dont worry about protecting themselves. When they put their guard down, Satan(Who DOES exist) has a much easier time influencing people to do his will.

[TMA_1]

you dont understand acriku. Sin constitutes action. Sins are acts, whether of the mind of physical, they all come from the same thought patterns. Evil is when you act outside of God's will. It doesnt have to be a sin. You could save somebodies life, which isnt a sin at all, and if you did it out of your own human intent to help, it is human good. Now that is good for the human race, but doesnt help a bit spiritaully. If you do anything outside of the will of God, (being in fellowship and doing all things for the lord) then you are in the area of evil. While out of fellowship with God you can then sin. Evil is the seperation of one's self from God spiritaully. Sins are those things which the bible says not to. Also you can sin if the bible tells you to do something and you dont do it. Those are the two kinds of sins. Sin of omission and comission.

[Acriku]

Going against Gods will IS sinning.

And you dont understand the quote? Which one? The:

The greatest trick the devil ever pulled, was making the world believe he didnt exist.

Basically, it means that a larg portion of the nowadays does not believe in the being of Satan, or Lucifer, or the Devil, or whatever you want to call him. When people believe that there is nothing to be afraid of, except for their own basic nature, they put their guard down and dont worry about protecting themselves. When they put their guard down, Satan(Who DOES exist) has a much easier time influencing people to do his will.

Yes, that one. So who among the christians, who would be the only relevant people for this quote to make any sense, do not believe in Satan?

TMA, ok I can understand that. So, it is evil to save someone with a human intent to help? Holy moley.

[Scrinlord]

It is not a specific denomination that does not believe in Satan. It is different people who believe it, not any named denomination.

TMA, ok I can understand that. So, it is evil to save someone with a human intent to help? Holy moley.

No, its not evil to save someone out of human goodness, but it is not nessesarily(no I cant spell) spiritually good either. I guess that is one area where me and TMA differ. My opinion is that it is not nessesarily evil to do something if you dont do it for God, but it doesnt help you either.

[Caid Ivik]

In slovak, word "tma" means darkness. Really, no joking. It seems, that one guy here who is using such avatar name really stepped to darkness. Permitting any evil by decriminalisation, ceasing to consider it as a sin, is a sin itself. This is one of the hardest sins ever with very hard effects lasting for generations. I.e.crusades started with giving "free hand" to warriors, ended with looted Constantinopole in hands of Balduin von Flanders. Or nowadays, it's not so much time ago when we've thought it is good to sacrifice some people for "brighter tommorow". And counting of victims of last totalities is still not ended.