Vive la republique!

[Sardauker-Kirov]

I agree with Edric on this one.

Americans shouldn't be in the war in the first place.

It's none of their business.

And if I'd watch a movie about the French revolution and compare with a movie that includes the VC war.

The chance is likely that I get a tear in my eye if I watch the French revolution.

I certainly won't like it if some snobbish money grubbing elitist starts pushing people around and treat you like a slave.

These so called 'elitists' always underestimate the power of the people.

"United, we shall form a gigantic fist and smash down our foes."

If I had to pick between two people(Common folk and Snobbish folk), I'd rather choose the common folks.

Ah, yes, and I forgot to add;

The people in army of Franch only choose leaders that are from royalty or from nobility.

So people wouldn't choose Rommel or Zhukov if they were in the middle of the Common folks.

They would choose a arrogant moronic person that has loads of cash and 'nobility' in his veins.

What a great system the 'snobbish' tirannic people of Franch had then.

[Caid Ivik]

Fact is that YOU consider French Revolution as an act of heroism. Why, I don't know, democracy failed there. Maybe the Vietnam war would be considered as heroistical if the democratical powers would win. Fact is that the winner was communism. Highest stage of communistical evolution, mixed by experience of Stalin and Mao.

Problem is, EdricO, that you want to look at all historical events objectivelly AT ONCE. You must look at every event with its own causality, not every war in the past was between the "left" and "right". Especially french revolt in 1789. This was a war not between two parts, "Snobs and Commies", but between Bourbons, jacobins, republicans, military and more. Same may be considered with russian civil war in 1917, Spain in 1936, or Cuba in 1956. Everyone against everyone else. In Russia or Cuba won communists, in Spain military. Who had greatest numbers, firepower and foreign support.

I don't know who is closer to nazis here. First you blame me from oppressing your right to free speach, and then you defend such imperialistic aggressor as Napoleon Bonaparte...

[Sardauker-Kirov]

Fact is that YOU consider French Revolution as an act of heroism. Why, I don't know, democracy failed there. Maybe the Vietnam war would be considered as heroistical if the democratical powers would win. Fact is that the winner was communism. Highest stage of communistical evolution, mixed by experience of Stalin and Mao.

Problem is, EdricO, that you want to look at all historical events objectivelly AT ONCE. You must look at every event with its own causality, not every war in the past was between the "left" and "right". Especially french revolt in 1789. This was a war not between two parts, "Snobs and Commies", but between Bourbons, jacobins, republicans, military and more. Same may be considered with russian civil war in 1917, Spain in 1936, or Cuba in 1956. Everyone against everyone else. In Russia or Cuba won communists, in Spain military. Who had greatest numbers, firepower and foreign support.

I don't know who is closer to nazis here. First you blame me from oppressing your right to free speach, and then you defend such imperialistic aggressor as Napoleon Bonaparte...

Well, rather Communism than Democracy and I say this to the victorious Vietnamese troops.

"HAALLLLLLEEEEJUJA"

Americans is just as evil as the other nations and once mentioned before, Americans has no business with other countries problems.

Just like Israel and Palestina.

It's their war, not theirs.

Just like N Korea vs S Korea.

It's their war, not THEIRS.

And America is known to be a 'power hungry' nation that would do anything to manipulate a country and call it a puppet.

"Democracy is the easiest way to corruption and power abuse." Akira Tsuka

[Dude_Doc]

Well, rather Communism than Democracy...

Yeah, until one day, everything you own is gone.

Americans is just as evil as the other nations and once mentioned before, Americans has no business with other countries problems.

Just like Israel and Palestina.

It's their war, not theirs.

Just like N Korea vs S Korea.

It's their war, not THEIRS.

Okay, now I am confused. First you claim to be a communist. A communist takes CARE of EVERYBODY around him or her.

Then, what I quoted from you is like saying "to hell with those people". I don't think that is very communistic. You aren't even glad that the world has one less dictator. A nationalist would agree with your perspective, because he doesn't care of what's happening elswhere on Earth unless it has anything to do with his own country.

Doesn't a communist support a global socialism? A global union where everybody is happy and equal? Then how can you say it is their wars? It's your war too. It affects your idealism, because if everybody is going to live happily on Earth, there must be no wars.

And America is known to be a 'power hungry' nation that would do anything to manipulate a country and call it a puppet.

Do you have to mention this everytime?

"Democracy is the easiest way to corruption and power abuse." Akira Tsuka

Then fine! Go and live in China or North Korea! What you don't mention is that EVERY ideal contains corruption. Communism is even a better way of controlling people, because people can't go against the government. Everything a communist government wants to do, it can put a stamp that says "for the best of the party". You don't have any freedom. Unless people are honest, good working people, communism will never work.

Just take a look on China. Recently, they build some dam, forcing some million people to move, WITHOUT CONPENSATION! Would you like it if your government decided to build a dam out of your house? To flush you out on the streets without anyplace to go? Who would accept you? The government doesn't care, they have their precious dam. Or wait, they do care! Because you don't have a home anymore, and you don't even had time to find a job, but "we, the gov. don't care, you still got no job", so you go to jail for a year. Oh, wait, you go to jail for the rest of your life because you don't work and the gov. has to take care of you in the jail, where you don't work and risk "the shower", or even better: death.

Your power? Nothing.

Your parents power? "Stay out if it", or they go to jail or execution center if they do.

Your friends? They'll just have to forget you, or they will do thing the party don't want them to do, and then they also go to jail and execution-center.

Still don't like democracy?

Democracy may be corrupted, it isn't a new thing. But people have at least a bigger chance against their leaders.

[Sardauker-Kirov]

Like many Communist said, the Communism that Stalin and Mao has is no true Communism.

It has been mentioned many times, they simply abuse the idea to make people think that they work for a goal.

And Capitalism is suppose to be great? Less money + Hard physical/mental work = Same as Slavery.

Does that ring a bell?

And people can still stand up against their leader. Take a look at the nations that fought for freedom in the Sovjet empire.

The leader isn't the power, the PEOPLE is the power. The leader is just a blabbing person that wants everyone to listen, but if none listens......Ah yes, and the ARMY is the people.

Why? Because it consists of normal PEOPLE, that are civilians and trained. But look what happened to the sovjet army, they betrayed their side when they fought against those nations that rebelled and seeked to part from the Sovjet empire.

People can still fight against Communist leaders, but with a price.

In China, they would rather kill Capitalists than Communists because China already has a huge history of being a resource extraction country for the western lands.

So you go to jail if you don't work, once again LOOK at the Capitalist nations, it works the same way.

You don't work, you are just worthless to the 'superior' politics. Worthless to the heart and brains of the infrastructure.

That is what "THEY" atleast think.

Democracy Nations abuse the idealogy of Democracy just as much as Stalin did of his Communism.

"Vote and be happy, but wait... Politics has a vote worth 1 million and common people only 1."

Even if the common people wins the vote, if the politics doesn't like to change it they don't change it.

Because it has no profit to them.

[Caid Ivik]

Let's see some facts, Kirov. Since our country turned to capitalistic democracy, average monthly income rised about five times, from 2000 crowns to nearly 11000. Tax rate was cut down about a half, altough today government must higher it, because in communist era we've made dreadful debts and with unproductive socialistic economy we can't have enough GDP to fill the juggernaut of "free" schools and health care.

Slovak economy in central Moscow system was based on production of heavy weapons, mining and metallurgy. People worked in these things much harder than today (9-12 hours in those factories), when our course is more on services. Today, when we don't consider capitalistic west as military threat, we don't need tanks, also no one else want to buy them, so half of GDP fell just on this.

Communistic regime in pre-1989 Czechoslovakia was a model of country hit by Gorbacov's "Perestrojka", democratization way to communism. In fact, inner situation was after 1960 much more free than in other eastern countries. Party ruled more with propaganda than secret police. So the fight was based on ethernal insultances against "enemies of the thoughts of Marx and Lenin", inner democrats supported by emmigrants, especially from USA, Canada and West Germany. When opposition decided to stop the economical suicide of communism, where overproduction caused by central commands was used only to strengthen army, altough many other areas were debting, Party had no power to stop it.

Embarassed and ashamed, without blood on streets, people said NO! to communism. People were too disgusted by the system, with utopy, which was even worse. Today is a naming a "communist" equal to blacklisting. "Zombies", as we call utopistic descendant of the Party, KSS, lure some people, which want the life on debt back, but will perish, as their archlich Lenin loses cells in his sarcophagus...

[Dude_Doc]

Like many Communist said, the Communism that Stalin and Mao has is no true Communism.

Neither is there any true capitalism nor democracy in this world. There is a thing we like to call "perfect", but sadly, that does not exist in our universe.

The leader isn't the power, the PEOPLE is the power. The leader is just a blabbing person that wants everyone to listen, but if none listens......Ah yes, and the ARMY is the people.

Exactly. Which must mean that many democratic countries is happy with their leaders, because there is no uprising there.

But look what happened to the sovjet army, they betrayed their side when they fought against those nations that rebelled and seeked to part from the Sovjet empire.

Like I said, it's their work. No work=jail. You see, one person wonders if what he is doing is actually wrong, but will not tell anyone because his supperiors may have spies and even loyal soldiers. In fact, there were thousands of such soldiers. But just like Nazi-Germany, no one would speak in fear of death or torture.

So you go to jail if you don't work, once again LOOK at the Capitalist nations, it works the same way.

You don't work, you are just worthless to the 'superior' politics. Worthless to the heart and brains of the infrastructure.

That is what "THEY" atleast think.

No, it does not. You are only on your own if you don't work. People will still help you, if you really want a job, to get one. You don't go to jail.

You'll have free time, you can take a vacation, you can do things.

Education is important. If you are not well educated, of course you'll end up in the streets.

Democracy Nations abuse the idealogy of Democracy just as much as Stalin did of his Communism.

Then what are my guarantees that if the world will become a communist "utopia", that another Stalin won't emerge? We have free speach, for Christ sake! Would you want to think everytime you spoke something? It has to be loyal to the party, otherwise, you go to jail.

BTW, did I ask you this question: If Nazi-Germany would still exist today, would you fight for it, or the United States?

[Edric O]

Hey! You're discussing communism WITHOUT ME? :)

First of all, Sard-Kirov, saying "rather communism than democracy" is self-contradictory. You can't have communism without democracy. Marx warned us about this, and history proved him right. The soviet attempt to build communism failed precisely because the political system was not democratic.

Remember that the very meaning of the word democracy is "the people have the power". And this is one of the things that communism wants to achieve.

The kind of "democracy" that you hate is the capitalist democracy, in which the people have very little real power, because they are only given a choice between 2 or 3 main parties, and all of those parties serve the interests of the corporations who fund their campaigns rather than the interests of the people.

In socialism and communism, however, the people have direct control over the government. "Not only electing their representatives, but also dismissing and replacing them if they are found to be incompetent or corrupt." (excerpt from the 1918 Constitution of the RSFSR - the Russian Socialist Federated Soviet Republic)

Dude_Doc:

Then fine! Go and live in China or North Korea! What you don't mention is that EVERY ideal contains corruption. Communism is even a better way of controlling people, because people can't go against the government. Everything a communist government wants to do, it can put a stamp that says "for the best of the party". You don't have any freedom. Unless people are honest, good working people, communism will never work.

Completely and absolutely FALSE. A socialist or communist government is under the full control of the people. A communist government does not rule. It serves.

This is why the Soviet Union wasn't communist. Because the people didn't control the government.

Just take a look on China. Recently, they build some dam, forcing some million people to move, WITHOUT CONPENSATION! Would you like it if your government decided to build a dam out of your house? To flush you out on the streets without anyplace to go? Who would accept you? The government doesn't care, they have their precious dam. Or wait, they do care! Because you don't have a home anymore, and you don't even had time to find a job, but "we, the gov. don't care, you still got no job", so you go to jail for a year.

Hello, anybody home? China has thousands of private companies and businesses, and it opened its markets even to CORPORATIONS like McDonald's and Coca Cola! What kind of communism is that?

The fact is that China isn't even socialist any more, much less communist.

Oh, and about the other things you've said: You obviously have NO IDEA how communism works. One of the basic tenets of communism is that every citizen is entitled by law to receive basic food, drinking water, clothing, housing, education, healthcare, and a job. Depriving a person of any one of these things will be illegal.

Caid:

Let's see some facts, Kirov. Since our country turned to capitalistic democracy, average monthly income rised about five times, from 2000 crowns to nearly 11000.

Ah, interesting... and what about the capitalist phenomenon of INFLATION, Caid? Today's crown may not have as much value as yesterday's crown, you know...

Tax rate was cut down about a half, altough today government must higher it, because in communist era we've made dreadful debts and with unproductive socialistic economy we can't have enough GDP to fill the juggernaut of "free" schools and health care.

Ah, so free education and healthcare is BAD? Would you be happier if the poor were kept uneducated and suffering of various diseases? ::)

Also, I don't know about YOUR economy, but our economy collapsed after the fall of stalinism, not before. The 1980's were a period of economic decline for all the countries of the soviet bloc. At first, the decline was small. But then the various government took measures against it, which only ended up in making things worse. Finally, the system collapsed altogether, and was replaced by capitalism, with the hope that it would finally make things better. But instead, capitalism caused a catastrophic fall in living standards and economic production. It took many years to recover from that, and some countries still haven't fully recovered.

Today is a naming a "communist" equal to blacklisting. "Zombies", as we call utopistic descendant of the Party, KSS, lure some people, which want the life on debt back, but will perish, as their archlich Lenin loses cells in his sarcophagus...

Ha ha ha ha, these pathetic capitalist declarations of "victory" never cease to amuse me. Of course that you persecute and shun communists. Just like you did 100 years ago. But we weren't afraid of your propaganda and blacklisting then, and we're not afraid of them now.

The treason of Stalin and the inevitable demise of stalinism have set us back over 120 years. There is no use denying the fact that capitalism won a great victory. Except that it didn't win it in 1989, it won it back in the late 1920's, as Stalin consolidated his power. Ever since then, the fall of the Soviet Union was inevitable, as Leon Trotsky accurately predicted.

Enjoy your triumph while it lasts, capitalists. I am here to tell you the same thing that used to be told to victorious Roman generals at their triumph parades...

Memento mori. Remember your mortality.

[Acriku]

In socialism and communism, however, the people have direct control over the government. "Not only electing their representatives, but also dismissing and replacing them if they are found to be incompetent or corrupt." (excerpt from the 1918 Constitution of the )

Sort of like recalling the Californian governor, which is what they are doing now.

[Edric O]

Oops, I forgot to write the name of the country whose Constitution I was talking about... :D

It's fixed now.

As for the recalling of the Californian governor... well, I don't know anything about that, but the fact is that this sort of thing is extremely rare in capitalist democracies. Once you've elected someone, you're stuck with him for a full term unless he breaks the law. In a socialist country, an elected representative can be recalled for not doing what he said or promised he would do.

Of course, in 1918 they didn't have the modern technology we have today. Thanks to our instant communications, we can do away with representative democracy altogether and give the power directly to the people.

[Acriku]

That would be best. But it would be by majority votes?

[Sardauker-Kirov]

Like many Communist said, the Communism that Stalin and Mao has is no true Communism.

Neither is there any true capitalism nor democracy in this world. There is a thing we like to call "perfect", but sadly, that does not exist in our universe.

Perfection doesn't exist, but improvement DOES exist.

The leader isn't the power, the PEOPLE is the power. The leader is just a blabbing person that wants everyone to listen, but if none listens......Ah yes, and the ARMY is the people.

Exactly. Which must mean that many democratic countries is happy with their leaders, because there is no uprising there.

People are in silent anger. The people tolerates the goverment's action for "now"

And most of the people in the countries forget that they have the power in hands, not the leader or the parties.

They are obselete.

Frankly, I hope that there WILL be a UPRISING and destroy those corrupt Capitalist dogs, as they are abusing human souls and minds and exploit the meanings of the idealogies.

But look what happened to the sovjet army, they betrayed their side when they fought against those nations that rebelled and seeked to part from the Sovjet empire.

Like I said, it's their work. No work=jail. You see, one person wonders if what he is doing is actually wrong, but will not tell anyone because his supperiors may have spies and even loyal soldiers. In fact, there were thousands of such soldiers. But just like Nazi-Germany, no one would speak in fear of death or torture.

But their superiors can't torture their men, if they are revolting.

Just think of it.

A superior orders to execute his own men, but suddenly, 80% of his division starts to revolt.

And his loyal soldiers are harshly outnumbered by the revolting troops.

10,000 men

8,000 revolting men VS 2,000 loyal men + 1 superior.

But the sovjet union cannot keep a unstable empire up for that long.

Esp. Romania and Hungaria. Not to forget their resistance to the cruel goverment of the sovjets.

So you go to jail if you don't work, once again LOOK at the Capitalist nations, it works the same way.

You don't work, you are just worthless to the 'superior' politics. Worthless to the heart and brains of the infrastructure.

That is what "THEY" atleast think.

No, it does not. You are only on your own if you don't work. People will still help you, if you really want a job, to get one. You don't go to jail.

You'll have free time, you can take a vacation, you can do things.

Education is important. If you are not well educated, of course you'll end up in the streets.

I don't bother working if I barely earn cash by the Capitalist corporations.

Wow, you're highly educated and now go to WORK and sweat for a absurd low wage!!!!!

While the boss is sitting in his lazy chair watching his 'slaves'

And if the boss likes someone, he rewards the person.

Not the people that works hard for their cash.

Sounds kinda familiar...

Democracy Nations abuse the idealogy of Democracy just as much as Stalin did of his Communism.

Then what are my guarantees that if the world will become a communist "utopia", that another Stalin won't emerge? We have free speach, for Christ sake! Would you want to think everytime you spoke something? It has to be loyal to the party, otherwise, you go to jail.

Free speech, but the ignoring ears of Capitalist Democracy and the corrupt leaders doesn't hear it.

Even if 100% of the population on the whole god damn earth says "We hate the euro get rid of it!!!!"

They won't remove it, because the euro gives THEM money.

If those European and American nations wants to follow Hitler's ideas, they should say so and not backstab their people with lies.

BTW, did I ask you this question: If Nazi-Germany would still exist today, would you fight for it, or the United States?

I am part German and Asian and seeing the situation of the world.

I would rather choose the GERMAN side.

Atleast they reward the ones that works hard for the fatherland.

And just like in the capitalist nations.

"DIE!!!! IF YOU DON'T WORK, MUHAHAHAHAHAHA SERVE THE EXECUTRIX OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA! TALKING IS IRRELEVANT!"

[Edric O]

Acriku: Of course that the majority will decide. Otherwise it wouldn't be a democracy...

[Caid Ivik]

Hey! You're discussing communism WITHOUT ME? :)

Caid:

Let's see some facts, Kirov. Since our country turned to capitalistic democracy, average monthly income rised about five times, from 2000 crowns to nearly 11000.

Ah, interesting... and what about the capitalist phenomenon of INFLATION, Caid? Today's crown may not have as much value as yesterday's crown, you know...

Tax rate was cut down about a half, altough today government must higher it, because in communist era we've made dreadful debts and with unproductive socialistic economy we can't have enough GDP to fill the juggernaut of "free" schools and health care.

Ah, so free education and healthcare is BAD? Would you be happier if the poor were kept uneducated and suffering of various diseases? ::)

Also, I don't know about YOUR economy, but our economy collapsed after the fall of stalinism, not before. The 1980's were a period of economic decline for all the countries of the soviet bloc. At first, the decline was small. But then the various government took measures against it, which only ended up in making things worse. Finally, the system collapsed altogether, and was replaced by capitalism, with the hope that it would finally make things better. But instead, capitalism caused a catastrophic fall in living standards and economic production. It took many years to recover from that, and some countries still haven't fully recovered.

Today is a naming a "communist" equal to blacklisting. "Zombies", as we call utopistic descendant of the Party, KSS, lure some people, which want the life on debt back, but will perish, as their archlich Lenin loses cells in his sarcophagus...

Ha ha ha ha, these pathetic capitalist declarations of "victory" never cease to amuse me. Of course that you persecute and shun communists. Just like you did 100 years ago. But we weren't afraid of your propaganda and blacklisting then, and we're not afraid of them now.

The treason of Stalin and the inevitable demise of stalinism have set us back over 120 years. There is no use denying the fact that capitalism won a great victory. Except that it didn't win it in 1989, it won it back in the late 1920's, as Stalin consolidated his power. Ever since then, the fall of the Soviet Union was inevitable, as Leon Trotsky accurately predicted.

Enjoy your triumph while it lasts, capitalists. I am here to tell you the same thing that used to be told to victorious Roman generals at their triumph parades...

Memento mori. Remember your mortality.

We can't wait, you know, but take it from better side, you have less work... So, let's make our points as usual.

1. 1 USD '35 = cca 4 KCS '35 (koruna ceskoslovenska), 1948 - COMMIE REVOLUTION, 1 USD '60 = cca 20 KCS '60, 1 USD '89 = cca 50 KCS '89, 1 USD '94 = cca 40 SK '94 (slovenska koruna), 1 USD '99 = cca 50 SK '99. Our economy made some improvements. 1 USD 2003 = cca 35 SK 2003. Well, stability of crown isn't as in centralised socialistic system, but with slowly strengthening crown we have much bigger diversity of products.

2. Schools and healthcare isn't, and wasn't free. Teachers and doctors must live from something. In healthcare we have quite effective system of insurances, but education can't be kept by high taxes. Directors of schools would work with money better, than bureaucratic system, which swallows much itself.

3. Czechoslovak economy was rather stable, we had still many customers on Middle East. Now our howitzers fire shells at US and jewish soldiers, training L-29 planes were thought to be VX-sprayer plane... In many areas was state taking debts from western countries, from us took much also those more eastern. Russia still has much to pay us, our air force is dependant on russian debts, we even launched a cosmonaut to Mir with those money ;D But whole sum we won't see ever. Debting made a chaos, and now we must clean it. Socialism was too ineffective.

4. Won plurality. Won democracy. Capitalism is only a derivate of them. No one would stay in one action for whole life, when there are better. Roman generals heard "Te homine esse, memento!" - "You are a human, remember!". Same thing I would tell your demigods Marx and Lenin...

[Edric O]

So, in conclusion, your economy is doing slightly better than during the pre-1989 stalinist regime (whether you agree with the term "stalinist" or not, calling it a "communist regime" is beyond stupidity, seeing how they didn't even call THEMSELVES a "communist" government, but merely a "socialist" one). However, the fact is that most of this growth is simply due to the fact that now you can trade with rich western countries - something you couldn't do before 1989. That has nothing to do with the nature of the system itself, but merely with the international situation.

About education and healthcare, what I mean is that they are free of charge for their students or patients. Even though the services themselves are paid for by taxes, these taxes are distributed among the population so as to allow the poor and unemployed to have access to education and healthcare. Putting a price on these things is among the most evil, atrocious crime that can ever be commited by a capitalist regime. It makes the poor suffer and die of easily preventable diseases, and ensures that the poor and their children will always stay poor, because they have no access to education.

I sincerely hope that this is not the case in Slovakia...

And the no.1 enemy of plurality and democracy is capitalism itself. Private corporations use their massive economic power to support their pet candidates in elections, and the politicians themselves serve the interests of the corporations who funded them rather than the interests of the people.

As for the stalinist personality cults of Marx and Lenin, please try to finally understand that I don't want to have anything to do with your old stalinist hypocrites. Poor Marx and Lenin must have been rolling in their graves (well, mausoleum in Lenin's case) as the crimes that the stalinists commited in their name...

P.S. Hmmm, I always thought that the phrase was "memento mori"... I've got to check and see.

[Caid Ivik]

Slightly better, good word. But it is improving, what is a big difference to pre-1989 era (which was ruled by COMMUNIST Party of Czechoslovakia, doll of COMMUNIST Party of the Soviet Union, Komunisticeskaja Partija Sovietskogo Sojuza). To say it simplified, we enjoy a FREE trade, uncontrolled by political intentions of utopia-building.

To be sure, hospitals and schools were created by "those rich". By them, for them, I wouldn't call it a crime. Maybe just a neutral act, lacking good. Social welfare was much before words like "capitalism" and "communism", even before era of democracy. New system of insurance made it closer even to unemployed persons.

Rulers found simple education needed, so children must (not "can by money") go to school, state will provide it by money. In many countries those money, same sum as we pay to state, is provided directly to the school. No difference, just we don't need to pay for bureaucracy.

In unprogressed countries state doesn't pay for schools and healthcare anyway. Everything is done by western countries, state prefers building military and police, to overthrow educational and health caring missions from rich capitalist countries when they'll need to.

Number 1 enemy of plurality is anything, which prevents us from ruling by our own idea. For example communism: it can't allow elections, because if it would lose in the next elections, the plan of utopia will simply fall. If you want to create utopia, you can't allow "reactional compromises" (as Engels says)!

Memento mori: remember on death. Words of members of one asketic order, which live isolated from society searching only for questions of God in their prayers.

[Edric O]

Of course it's improving. After the massive economic crash caused by going back to capitalism, the new stability and the foreign aid is slowly helping the economy to recover. Under these conditions, ANY kind of economy would be improving, not just a capitalist one.

As for the "communist" parties of Czechoslovakia and the Soviet Union, let me ask you this: If the US republicans suddenly changed their name to "communists" tomorrow, but without changing any of their policy, would that make them real communists?

You can wave red flags and build statues of Lenin all you want, but that will never be enough to make you communist when you're obviously not.

And now you can enjoy "free trade", eh? Oh yes, the wonderful capitalist concept of "free trade"... You are "free" to either trade with them, on their terms, or starve to death. Don't you just love this freedom? ::)

I don't understand what you're saying about your education and healthcare systems... please try to rephrase that (your English is sometimes hard to understand - no offense intended). Are they public, private, or a combination of the two?

And finally, you really don't know anything about communism if you think that it "can't allow elections". On the contrary, free elections are VITAL in order to avoid a stalinist dictatorship.

Remember that communists want to create a system which is better than capitalism. Free elections are a measure of the people's happiness. If the people vote against the communists, that means that the new system is NOT better than the old one, so the communists have already failed.

"Democracy is indispensable to socialism."

- V.I. Lenin

P.S. Thanks for clearing up things about "memento mori".

[Sardauker-Kirov]

And counting that Stalin made a bad example out of Communism, not the mention the 'anti' Communism propaganda that America made against the Sovjet Union.

If the right man was in the chair of Stalin that truly followed Communism, I think America and Europe people would be in awe.

But still, there are flaws with new systems.

But "flaws" can be removed.

I still don't understand why people call the Sovjet Union 'communism'

If you type in the word Communism in a search engine, you see Stalin this, Stalin that.

[otheymzefedaykin]

I am really hampered to see you scolding because of us! :-[

We should never have existed! :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[

[Edric O]

Are you kidding me? You guys brought democracy to Europe!

Et, en plus, vous

[otheymzefedaykin]

Et, en plus, vous

[Dude_Doc]

Communism will always mean USSR, China, Cuba or North Korea etc. Like if I'm walking around with a tatooed swatstika and said it symbolised the old, indian swatstika (love, peace, etc). It would still make me a Nazi in peoples eyes. No matter how much I explain it to everyone. Just like communism. Communism will always be equal to Stalinism, the USSR, "enemies of the cold war" etc.

About paying for education. Here, we have free education, and free health care till you become 18 years of age. After that, you'll have to pay.

Anyways, instead of paying for education, we recieve money. That's right. Each month, in high school, you recieve about 100$. Then of course, if you don't learn and so in school, the monthly "funds" will be recalled, until you better yourself.

Now, if you were to pay for school, you'd also start to learn things, because you know you must do what you're "told to do" in school, so that your money is worth something.

Because I don't like the idea of paying students. A classmate I knew didn't do anything for 6 months, THEN after that, they told him to better himself, or they would recall his monthly funds. 6 months, that's about 600$. And only one student. Now, think of all the students who didn't do anything these six months, think of how much money the state threw away on them. I don't think this is right.

Sure, maybe free education isn't a bad idea (well, it doesn't matter much to me, I haven't even used the money I recieved, if I recieved any on my account (it's a long story)), but don't throw away money on people who don't do anything. Give the money to those who did something special, or who had good results in the final test etc...

[nampigai]

Dude_Doc

as for the "free" education and money for students we have that in DK aswell but hold in mind that you pay for it "indirect" via taxes, and the money you get, you'll pay back, again via taxes. All in all it's a very good investment for the state IMO.

As for the swastika, funny thing you mention it. We have an "old" church, 1930's I think (so not really old, but you catch my draft) in it there is Swastikas and many wish that they will be removed, but the priest wont allow it. He wont give Hitler that victory.

But yes you are absolutely right, when people see it they'll think "NAZIS" the same goes for communism, people think of Stalinism. Frankly I couldn't care less as I don't believe it ever will be possible to make a communistic utopia.

[Dude_Doc]

Yes, I find it hard to believe we will "return" to communism too. People have already "experienced" those times. No matter how much history teaches them, communism will be Stalinism, fascism will be Hitlerism, etc. Just like the swatstika. It will always be "nazi" to most of us, sadly.

[Caid Ivik]

Communist Parties of Czechoslovakia, Germany, Poland, Hungary, Romania and Bulgary were created and commanded by Lenin's Kominterna. Manifest of each party wasn't changed since their creation. Only addons were done, like hate against fascism and sionism. Despite his thoughts told about democracy, all of them installed their power trough manipulated "people's democracy". Maybe called such due to elections were made by their "people". To be sure, even Iraq was a democracy, Saddam was democratically elected...

Producers of food are free to set its cost. Everyone looks for the cheapier, so all need to lower it. That's on producing, as well as on market sphere. In communism, with central control of mattery, such things aren't possible, so Party can even raise it: like they did sometimes in previous era.

Free education come up by aristocratic, not socialistic decision. But higher forms (univerities) were always payed by student: directly to school's treasury, without nonsense tax bureaucracy. Healthcare was also firstly payed directly. Today's insurance system was chosen, because money in insurance bank are protected from inflation.

Are you kidding me? You guys brought democracy to Europe!

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