monkey and human

[Acriku]

I swear somebody is editing my messages for their own entertainment... :P

[Duneguy]

yeah, i think that they would look somewhat like the things in The Time Machine.. btu in the time machine they are more like Gollum just not as bad yet. lol. anyhow, they would be a lot like the guys off of Planet of The Apes, just not as ugly/hairy in my opinion. they would be a lot shorter also.jus my opinions

[Emperor Harkonnen]

yeah I meant a chimp or something. and isn't a chimp a monkey? okey combine a primate and a human to be more exact.

it would have been cool if someone did :)

[Phage]

I really doubt you can combine a human with a monkey. Not even an ape.

Please show me a link to this.

[TMA_1]

hmm genetically it is impossible to combine a human and an ape. It may be possible to add certain genetic traits that a certain monkey species has to humans, but you just cant do something like that.

[Phage]

I remember extreme nurturists a while ago were stating that if you put a monkey embryo in a human womb, the fetus would develope into a human child. So extreme was their view that enviroment determined character.

[TMA_1]

lol ahh, that is funny.

[nemafakei]

Phage, links are not the be-all and end-all of discussion. No, sorry, thay may be and end-all to discussion, but that's not what we necessarily want.

[Phage]

I know dude, but if someone says that you can mix a man and a monkey I usually want something more solid then their word.

[nemafakei]

I quite agree, but you could probably find a link saying so if you really looked, whereas a clear, logical reasoning guiding through how it were possible would be far more informative and interesting, and it's a little more polite to ask people to explain than to provide a link.

[Emperor Harkonnen]

there is no need to ask for a link when I say something because I never get my info on the internett. I don't rely on internett sites.

if the genetical differense is larger than 10% then the two species can not be combined. but the differense between humans and chimps is about 4%, so there you go. that's the explanation.

May I also add that it is possible to combine a tiger with a lion and their genetical differense is greater than the one between chimps and humans.

(btw. isn't ape and monkey the same thing? in norwegian we have one word describing all those animals, and that is ape)

[nemafakei]

I take it firstly that you mean difference in the genome; secondly the human/bonobo difference is ~2%, thirdly, the idea that 10% difference is the limit seems rather incredible, given that we share 50% of our genome with a banana. And the idea of percentage difference being a functional defining seems incredibly crude as a measure; please explain why this works! Surely it matters which genes differ and so on: notable for this purpose are those involved with reproduction/incubation and nutrition.

Monkeys and Apes separated some time ago; apes (NB: tail-less) consist of Orang-Utans, Gorillas, Chimpanzees, Bonobos, and Humans.

[Emperor Harkonnen]

not to critizise, but we humans are not animals. we are not apes.

anyway, I shall find that article later which says that stuff...but wasn't the example with the tiger and the lion good enough proof?

[nemafakei]

As I say, It's which genes that differ that matter a lot more than what percentage - quantity over quality if you like.

"we humans are not animals. we are not apes"

We are mammals, we are apes, and if we didn't break our own rules of taxonomy through our own arrgance just to make us look better and different, we would propely be called "pan narrans", not "homo sapiens"

[Phage]

I quite agree, but you could probably find a link saying so if you really looked, whereas a clear, logical reasoning guiding through how it were possible would be far more informative and interesting, and it's a little more polite to ask people to explain than to provide a link.

It's not my job to find a person's evidence for him. That's basically what I call a wild goose chase.

[Emperor Harkonnen]

damn the internett crashed when I wrote a long post. but anyway I am an animal friend I consider animals just as much worth as any human being. But I don't consider humans animals.

[Acriku]

Why is that Harkonnen? Everything about us just screams "animal!", we are just advanced in our intellect. It's pretty funny when in this age of science people still think we aren't animals.

[Emperor Harkonnen]

We are something uniqe. Just like if an animal could think it would think of it's specie uniqe too, and not call itself animal as everything else was. see my point?

[Acriku]

Every animal is unique. There's a type of squid that mocks the fish around it, like the puffer fish and lion fish. There's a type of ant that is so fierce, even human beings are on its menu. There's a type of monkey that was brought up to learn how to communicate with humans using cryptographs on the computer.