Now we know what change means

[Gwizz]

sign on Highway 15 someplace in the USA

Now we know what your change is all about.

More debt

more taxes

more welfare

more regulation

more government

more wasteful spending

more corruption

Thanks Mr President

[Fitch]

where does this More Taxes keep coming from?..Yes Taxs went up slightly on Tax day this year, but that was a Hike that was instituted by the Bush led Republican Government...

[Gwizz]

Since the national debt has more than doubled in the last 4 or 5 months,  Someone will be making the extra payments plus interest. 

Most taxes are indirect to the consumer.  Business taxes and fees increase and this cost is pasted on to the consumer.  That will be anyone having an income and then using it to buy something.

Also, since the government is having a problem find someone to loan them more money, the only source is a direct tax on the people.  As long as government spending continues to increase taxes will continue to increase.

The Government continues to print money which is driving the value of the dollar down.  This mean the dollar will buy less then it did.  We are between a rock and a hard spot, with no where to move .

It is like waiting on a chicken to lay an egg.  You know it happens, and can plan on its coming.

PS:  Bush gave a tax break that lowered taxes.  But the time limit ended and Obama has not said he will renew the tax break.

      Remember Bush had a Democratic congress at the end of his term.  Even then, I was not proud of Bushes record.

      IMHO, Both parties have been corrupt with only a few good people in the mix.

[Hawk]

       IMHO, Both parties have been corrupt with only a few good people in the mix.

Here! Here!

[Gwizz]

'Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it.. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it' - Ronald Reagan

[thomasjordan]

Obama's first action was a tax increase.

A $.65 per cent federal tax on cigarettes.  Sure it may have been against those nasty smokers, most of whom make far, far less than $250,000 per year.  Works out to about $200 per year for those who smoke a pack a day.

So much for Obama's promise not to increase taxes (and didn't restrict that promise to just income taxes) for those making less that $250,000 per year.

And what Republican tax increase took place this past April 15th?

[Fitch]

The increase that brought all of the so called Tea Baggers out to blame it on Obama......

Something people need to understand, this country has been in debt almost it's entire existence. Andrew Jackson managd to reduce the National Debt to $34,000 in 1835.....Course today that would probably be about $4 billion......ALL countries are in debt.......

If this was Bill Clinton, or George Bush, or Ronald Reagan, or Jimmy Carter...no one would be saying anything about all of this.....This all because we, as a country, elected a Black Man to be President. So obviously somthing is not right so he must be trying to destroy our country and instigate Facism......

The only Fascist president this country has had Left us with 2 wars thats plan to end them was "Leave it to the next administration".........and same President also left us with an Economy that had crashed, and their Plan to fix it involved throwing huge amounts of Cash to their Big Corporate Banking friends so they could give each other Multi-Million Dollar Bonus while Canning thousands of honest hard working Employees. AND THEN somehow managed to Blame the Incoming President for Giving them the money they had alrady been given.

People need to come back to reality.

 

[Gwizz]

The whole world has had those kind of problems.  The US is no exception.  US history is full of crooks.  The Tycoons were some of them.

IMHO,  Obama is among the worst.  Being Black does not make him good or bad.  It is how he thinks and acts that count.

[Hawk]

This all because we, as a country, elected a Black Man to be President. So obviously somthing is not right so he must be trying to destroy our country and instigate Facism......

This racism crap the Dems keep using is getting so ridiculously old it's almost pathetic. Race has nothing to do with it. It's an ideology.

The only Fascist president this country has had Left us with 2 wars thats plan to end them was "Leave it to the next administration".........and same President also left us with an Economy that had crashed, and their Plan to fix it involved throwing huge amounts of Cash to their Big Corporate Banking friends so they could give each other Multi-Million Dollar Bonus while Canning thousands of honest hard working Employees. AND THEN somehow managed to Blame the Incoming President for Giving them the money they had alrady been given.

Bush Jr. was a traitor to the Republican party, and this country.

People need to come back to reality.

Yep, you're right. The reality is; Obama and his ilk are Socialists. Plain and simple. If that's what you want for this country then face the reality. You are a Socialist.

[thomasjordan]

Hawk:

You were nicer than me.  I deleted my response.

Now here's health care you can believe in, and it's government run and single payer.  Sounds like what Mr. Obama wants for the rest of us.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/08/21/national/main5257225.shtml

[Fitch]

either of you, "No to Socialism" on Medicare or know someone who is?, perhaps a parent?...

We can do an ACTUAL Healthcare experiment here and CANCEL Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security.....Is that what they are? Socialism?........

[thomasjordan]

I'm eligible for Medicare.  So are both my parents, my mother-in-law, and my grandmother.

It sucks, to be polite.  So does Tri-Care and the VA system.

So does Social Security.

Yes, they are socialism, taking money away from me at the point of a gun (try not paying your taxes and see what happens) to give that money to someone else.

[Gwizz]

I have been trying to find anywhere where Socialism has been successful.

I'm not having much luck.

Socialism is good for some people but always at a great expense to others.

Also, whenever something is given for nothing or almost nothing, almost all of those who receive freebes learn to expect them and become very lazy and lose repect for themselves.  A person would have to be very crusty to have no pride in their efforts to earning their own way.   Crooks tend to fit this crusty, I'll just take what I want, profile.

When  too many fit this profile, a country's greatness dies.  

History seems to have proved this.

[Hawk]

Yes, let's cancel Medicaid, Medicare, and Social Security. That would most assuredly be a step in the right direction, since all three are damn near bankrupt.

I have had experience in all 3 with my now deceased Mother and Father-in-Law (my wife was their POA and Executrix of the will) and they are pathetic in operation and execution.

Why? Mainly due to corruption in our esteemed government. The government should not be in the business of health care and/or financial investment (which was the original con laid on the American populace when the Social Security Act was initiated in 1935 as a voluntary program).

Are these programs of a Socialistic nature? Hell Yes! It's re-distribution of wealth. Nothing more. Nothing less.

Here's a little reading about Social Security that may, or may not interest you.

http://www.supremelaw.org/rsrc/alert.htm