TMA_1 Posted July 2, 2003 Posted July 2, 2003 another rant by me, but this is really bothering me. I have had friends leave me for this, people are just so damn shallow.I will talk to somebody for a while and find out they are not christians, so I will keep it quiet, but eventually they will find out I am a devout christian and then say I am a closed minded idiot and leave. They many times will totally bash me and say I am a philistine and living in a totally sexist and legalistic world. Dont they understand though that christians did the same thing to them? Many of those people who dislike christianity wre castigated by christians, and made fun of. Now why the hell do those who arent christians do the same? It is everywhere! C.S.Lewis talks about this in THe Screwtape Letters. He talks about how not being a christian is becoming more and more a popular fad, and is lookd upon as "enlightened". They will turn around though and become the judge, jury, and exicutitioner of the inquisition! just because I am a christian, and others who arei nthe same boat.
Acriku Posted July 2, 2003 Posted July 2, 2003 Well if you are a devout christian, people will then think you are conservative on it and follow every part of the bible devoutly. Such as the verses against homosexuals, Leviticus18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.]...18:29 For whosoever shall commit any of these abominations, even the souls that commit them shall be cut off from among their people.And...20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.1 Corinthians6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,and the verses against women, Ephesians5:22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.5:23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.5:24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.. But that's just them. Many of the conservative christians have big mouths and bring bad names to all of the liberal christians. And it seems the conservative christians outnumber the liberal christians, or the liberal christians aren't speaking out as much. Websites such as www.godhatesfags.com are popular in public knowledge, and worsen the effect. I say if you don't like it, do something about it. Speak against these christians, speak your part, and see what happens.
Scrinlord Posted July 2, 2003 Posted July 2, 2003 Ya, thats pretty good advice. Some people are just upset and cant stand to be around someone who believes in something like Christianity, especially when Christianity goes against modern concepts of science and politics. I get the same thing sometimes, but it is usually from people of other religions. My area is a very Mormon area of the country(my city is about75-89% mormon) And a lot of the time that someone finds out that I am Christian, not mormon, they react that same way, as if they think that I will burn them at the stake. Speak out against the people who make you look bad, but at the same time, dont be afraid to stand up for what you believe.
Phage Posted July 2, 2003 Posted July 2, 2003 That's very strange if it happens, I've never heard of it. Quite the opposite usually. I'd never discriminate against a xian or any other believer in anything, in fact I'd condemn that action as closed minded. I mean saying you are open minded but refusing to be around a person withg different beliefs isn't very open minded at all.
TMA_1 Posted July 2, 2003 Author Posted July 2, 2003 it says in the word of God that the words within it have to be interprited. You showed verses acriku, but you did not show what was before or after those verses. you also didnt interprit them. You express ignorantly what the bible states. For example you used many old testament scriptures. These dont apply to christians in many cases. We follow a new covenant with God, and this covenant tells us that all judgment is in God's hands. With the verse in corinthians, this is a direct link with the prophesy in revelations concerning those who take the mark of the beast. why you ask? read the scripture around it. During the time of the great tribulation, many believers will falter and they will fail in their duties. Because of this they will be taken up to heaven and will not be allowed to enter into the new millenium, as it has to start out pure. They will go to heaven though. Whenever you have the term "kingdom of heaven" it always refers to either old testament scriptures, or to the millenium or tribulation. The tribulation is actually not apart of the church age, but the jewish age. The church was spliced into the jewish age because israel rejected their savior. Finally when the tribulation comes, christians will be resurrected as well as the old testament saints. the seven years of tribulation is actually just an extention of the jewish age, and that is why people at that time arent christians, but jewish believers or prosolites. christians themselves are not apart of the tribulation because we cannot conflict with other dispensations.About the women, Because eve ate of the fruit first, she was the one that made women take a back seat spiritually. Men are made the leaders and women are to act accordingly. Does this mean they are inferior? no, look at this as an example. In the military, NCOs and COs are all equal and important parts of the military. it just happens that the COs are the ones in control. this is how it works, there is no castegation or degredation towards women at all. and plus this only has to do with spiritual matters, and this is only a figure of God and humankind. Would you understand this? no, because you already display your intolerance towards not only christianity, but multiple cultures and religions. This is absolutely silly and immature. Are followers of islam wrong for some of the docterns they hold that we westerners dont agree with? no, because who made us westerners the vision of perfection? we are no better morally than any other culture. in fact, we westerners have more of acurrupted sense of morality than others, because we make it so subjective. dont be so radical man.Some of you who are believers may disagree with my docternal ideals, and that is totally okay, because the beauty of the word of God is, is that we all study with the holy spirit, and the Lord tells us the truth that we are given. These are my beliefs and I hope you guys respect them.
Acriku Posted July 2, 2003 Posted July 2, 2003 Well if you are a devout christian, people will then think you are conservative on it and follow every part of the bible devoutly. Such as the verses against homosexuals, .... But that's just them. Boy that went way over your head didn't it TMA? And you know for once I tried to be your kind of civil, where I didn't express any of my views on the bible or christianity in its entirety, and you still post the same dribble. I'm so ignorant, I'm so radical, boohoo. You know what? I'll just do what I see appropriate, neverminding your incessant whining.
TMA_1 Posted July 2, 2003 Author Posted July 2, 2003 which is why you didnt even need to post in my thread in the first place. but you lvoe to stir the waters. :)
Acriku Posted July 2, 2003 Posted July 2, 2003 I was giving advice, advice that some even think to be good advice. Sorry if you didn't want help from me.
GhostHunter Posted July 2, 2003 Posted July 2, 2003 He stirs the waters by putting quotes out from the bible, and not expressing his views in anyways but just showing whats written? TMA, stop your arrogent dribble, you complain about others listening but are you any better? Or are you just that one-sided?
TMA_1 Posted July 2, 2003 Author Posted July 2, 2003 you have never liked me, and I would expect that stuff from you. why in the heck are you guys arguing with me? this doesnt have to do with arguing about my beliefs. it has to do with double standards. why dont you guys just lay off for a bit, I was writing this for all people. I like to write stuff sometimes without an agenda.
Acriku Posted July 2, 2003 Posted July 2, 2003 you have never liked me, and I would expect that stuff from you. why in the heck are you guys arguing with me? this doesnt have to do with arguing about my beliefs. it has to do with double standards. why dont you guys just lay off for a bit, I was writing this for all people. I like to write stuff sometimes without an agenda.I may not like you, for various reasons that should already be apparent, but I can look past that and try to help you or give you an honest reply without ad hominems and personal attacks. And I tried to do that just now. But I guess some people can't look past certain things and accept the help that they are given.
TMA_1 Posted July 2, 2003 Author Posted July 2, 2003 you dont want to help me, you want to force your views down my throat. and I never was the one that started to dislike you. you just flipped and grew bitter. I remember when that one night I started talking to you, and out of the clear blue, you disliked me. you are one of the most shallow people I know. Now you have probably ruined any chance that this thread will survive. I hope that hte moderators will let it stay, because I thought it would be constructive. if you have a problem with me, then IM me about it. I dont want my thread ruined. grow up.
GhostHunter Posted July 2, 2003 Posted July 2, 2003 First of all, I would like to state this thread never had very much meaning to begin with.Second of all, he should grow up? Excuse me TMA, he did nothing, he posted legitimite quotes from the BIBLE on a RELEGION thread without stating his views about relegion itself. You dear Fed2k member, are the one who should grow up, instead of complaining about OTHERS not opening their eyes why don't you attempt it in the first place before throwing ridiculous allogations out? And if you wonder why anyone doesn't like you...
TMA_1 Posted July 2, 2003 Author Posted July 2, 2003 for the love of God, act like freaking adults. you are a total idiot ghosthunter. I am closing this thread down, it did have meaning, but you and others totally raped it. you can do a lot of things, but why hurt my feelings? Acriku said stuff that didnt have anything to do with what I was talking about, and then you barged in with nothing but flames. if you have a problem with me, then IM me about it, instead of acting like a complete pussy.
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