Hi, Ray, I ask your patience while I ponder a few thoughts that have arisen and I feel NEEDS to be said, but to whom? Yoiu have raised an interesting point re. violation of copyright, i.e. whose copyright? Who now owns Lokis' copyrights? Are they still servicing the RT2 copyright or letting it go? If they are still serviceing then I would like to ask them to come forward and resolve this, if not then let us know so that people are aware that the copyright restrictions are off. I have unearthed an email address for Sam Lantinga and popped off a note raising the query and pointing to this thread.. I also sent the note to various other Loki associated addresses. Wonder if I'll get a helpful reply? If my copy RT2 is a pirate then someone went to a lot of effort on it, the quality is as good as my Descent 3 which I know is genuine? Further contact wuith Stefan since my originakl post has left me with the impression that he genuine. The pirate, if one existed, has already benefitted all that they may, the only people involved now are innocent victims. Should they suffer? This question should be aimed at copyright holders, but who are they? This thread may not be the proper place for the above thioughts but where is better? Anyway, Ray, thanks for your patience. As I said earlier you've been a grat help. Much obliged, Kim