Nope disabling windows firewall service did not do the trick, however ipx was neccessary for RA2 which my son and I have played in lieu of emperor, so that was a synchronistic suggestion ;) Wierd thing with RA2 is that my laptop can host on LAN but my winxp pro rig can only "join", this is with different copies installed. There is a switch installed 'tween the router and the pc to accomadate an xbox located with the pc, removed that(switch) thinking that perhaps it screwed with ipx, but didn't matter. So Emperor won't let us LAN, RA2 lets us do so but only one machine can host. I've a spare router that I could introduce, but I'll hold off on that for the time being. Tried to get Emperor online but that turns into a squirley mess also, I've edited my host file for RA's server, seems to always hang in the lobby and the 'buttons' on the menu don't seem to 'activate' ;) Embot shows peeps playing and the like. Perhaps I need the old geezer step by step explanation of how to get it going... not sorted sorted