tks a lot;P btw i intended to ask this in the previous post but i forgot, a couple of friends of mine were arguing about this subject and one of them (he defended that House Ordos was for real) sayd that Westwood used a "fake" insignia for the Ordos cuz the one with the snake isn't the real one. is that true also? or is the insignia used by westwood the real one? (or was it invented by westwood cuz there wasn't any insignia for the Ordos originaly?)