Hi again I did some checking from our books. The Juva date should be 1310 (not that anyone would be really interested, but I don't like to leave errors). I also found my commandant relatives name and there is a slight problem as his last name was at the time of death Viren and I don't know when they had changed it. Viren is swedish and as almost all of the leaders at the time were either swedish speaking or russians it is clear that a non finnish name was a benefit. There is a hint though, Virrat was a long time home for us. His name is sometimes even writen Virren (not swedish). Anyway could it have been that his reputation was so bad that the family decided to take the old name back and still kept the tittle. I cannot check that but look what they write about him. http://www.marxists.org/archive/trotsky/works/1930-hrr/ch13.htm In Kronstadt the revolution was accompanied by an outbreak of bloody vengeance against the officers, who attempted, as though in horror at their own past, to conceal the revolution from the sailors. One of the first victims to fall was Admiral Viren, who enjoyed a well-earned hatred. A number of the commanding staff were arrested by the sailors. Those who remained free were deprived of arms. Sorry, this is in German but you know how to use the Babelfish. There's an error in this text: he was chief of the fortress, not the fleet. http://www.anarchismus.at/txt4/kronstadt4.htm Knapp elf Jahre hielt die tr