nemafakei Posted March 15, 2002 Share Posted March 15, 2002 Tleilaxu hated machines; Ixians were proud of their mecanical innovation over anything biological. The two were definitely mutually exclusive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nefud Posted March 15, 2002 Share Posted March 15, 2002 How do you know for so sure that only the Tleilaxu had bioengineering stuff? What if the Ixians found someone who can also manipulate genes? Even the BG have ben manipulating bloodlines to produce the KH.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ligic_Tha_Master Posted March 16, 2002 Share Posted March 16, 2002 But Tleilaxu used machines to create gholas. And in Dune Messiah, it says many times that they were proud of their cybernetic eyes they sold... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMA_1 Posted March 16, 2002 Share Posted March 16, 2002 But that has to do with eyes in corpses that lost their eyes. its just a simple means of repairing a ghola. nothing like the IX conglomerate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ligic_Tha_Master Posted March 17, 2002 Share Posted March 17, 2002 Conglomerate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nefud Posted March 18, 2002 Share Posted March 18, 2002 Yes, I know the Tleilaxu are using machines, I only said, that they're not the only one who's interested in manipulating genes and stuff.My opinion is: Suboids could have been created by Tleilaxu, I don't know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMA_1 Posted March 18, 2002 Share Posted March 18, 2002 yes it talks about IX being a group of technocratic rulers. run by economy. I dont believe in a house vernius. Just because I dont see how it lines up with the books. I am aware that they are taken  by the tleilaxu but I just dont think so. still I love the prequels!:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunseng_Harkonnen Posted March 19, 2002 Author Share Posted March 19, 2002 It wouldn`t be first time that Tleilaxu gave something from their technology to Ix. In God Emperor they helped Ix create Hwi Noree, it was kinda better ghola, but not exactly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexander_Ordos Posted March 19, 2002 Share Posted March 19, 2002 Quite simple TMA - Rhombur  Vernius did survive but a renegade House can't join the Landsraad anymore...  ::) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMA_1 Posted March 19, 2002 Share Posted March 19, 2002 Not realistic alexander. just not realistic. The house he controlled went renegade in the prequels. they couldnt get back any power. thats the whole point of a house going renegade.lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nefud Posted March 19, 2002 Share Posted March 19, 2002 I wonder what'll happen to him... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexander_Ordos Posted March 21, 2002 Share Posted March 21, 2002 TMA, Vernius fell by Dominic ( Died in eplosion on Dune) when Tleilaxu with the support of the Sardines infested Ix and crushed the army of Vernius... The suboids were fooled by the Face Dancers and stood aside with the Tleilaxu... The armies of Vernius couldn't stand against the legions of Sardines and with no support of da Emperor, Dominic went renegade. His children Kailea and Rhombur escaped to the Atreides... Kailea threw herself out of the balcony after betraying Leto... For 20 years Ix remained by the Tleilaxu until it was liberated...Rhombur was a cyborg and couldn't restore his House or bloodline AND he didn't want to feel the wrath of Shadam again for destroying his amal project... ::) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ligic_Tha_Master Posted March 21, 2002 Share Posted March 21, 2002 CONGLOMERATE!!?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMA_1 Posted March 21, 2002 Share Posted March 21, 2002 Alexander that doesnt mix with the cold nature of IX. It never was controlled by a house in my opinion. IX came from the scientific community from pre jihad times and built themselves back up selling "legal" technologies but in secret making illegal ones. paying off the empire not to tell anybody. they are a technocratic government based on capital, money, cash solaris. Not a great house in my opinion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nefud Posted March 21, 2002 Share Posted March 21, 2002 TMA: have you ever read HH??It doesn't matter what do you think about Ix!BH and KJA wrote that Ix was controlled by House Vernius. This if a fact. You cannot say it's false. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemafakei Posted March 21, 2002 Share Posted March 21, 2002 "BH and KJA wrote that Ix was controlled by House Vernius. This if a fact. "Correct. FH, however, the creator of the dune universe, may not have written this (we don't know...). Hence, he can disagree with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMA_1 Posted March 21, 2002 Share Posted March 21, 2002 Exactly Nema. thanks:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exatreide Posted March 21, 2002 Share Posted March 21, 2002 But Brian Herbert did however get notes from Frankie. so who knows Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMA_1 Posted March 21, 2002 Share Posted March 21, 2002 But there are many flaws in brian and kevin js works so who knows? ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quoudam72 Posted March 21, 2002 Share Posted March 21, 2002 But there are many flaws in brian and kevin js works so who knows? ;) :) Yeah big enough to navigate a heighliner through....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mahdi Posted March 21, 2002 Share Posted March 21, 2002 :) Yeah big enough to navigate a heighliner through.......Hieghliners, coincidentally, contain several of the flaws. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quoudam72 Posted March 21, 2002 Share Posted March 21, 2002 LOL Â :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burseg_candor Posted March 21, 2002 Share Posted March 21, 2002 heighliners are way too big Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ligic_Tha_Master Posted March 22, 2002 Share Posted March 22, 2002 COOONGLOOOOOOMEEEEEERAAAAAATEEEEEEE?!!?!!?!!?!!?!!?!!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexander_Ordos Posted March 22, 2002 Share Posted March 22, 2002 TMA I'm bored with it but anyway - war changes people... :-/ Looks like we're off topic... Hmm The Suboids were treated too badly... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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