Fremen_Mentat Posted February 5, 2003 Share Posted February 5, 2003 So, what do you think the best counters to units are. If you need to micromanage them, thats ok. Heres an example:Fremen-Flame tanksMinos-GunshipsDevastator-micromanaged laser tanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VigilVirus Posted February 5, 2003 Share Posted February 5, 2003 Feds - Fremen snipersDevastators - FedsMinos - Feds and Laser tanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scy Posted February 5, 2003 Share Posted February 5, 2003 Vehicles Counters:Bazzsaw - heavy armor vehicls,air force.Assault Tank - Feds,air force.Flame Tank - heavy armor vehicls,air force.Missile Tank - infantry,Guild Niab.Invink - Vehicles,feds,air force.Sandbike - heavy armor vehicls,air force.Mangoose - infantry.Minos - heavy armor vehicls,Guild Niab,air force.Dust Scout - heavy armor vehicls,air force.Laser Tank - Fast vehicls,infantry,air force.Kobra - heavy armor vehicls,Laser,feds,air force. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ken124578 Posted February 5, 2003 Share Posted February 5, 2003 Timenh: could you please let me bump up my topics? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IxianMace Posted February 5, 2003 Share Posted February 5, 2003 Atreides Infantry: Atreides Sand Bikes, Harkonnen Buzzsaws, Ordos Dust Scouts, deployed Ordos Mortar Infantry, Ordos Chemical Troopers, Harkonnen Flame Tanks, Harkonnen Inkvine Catapults, Atreides Minotauruses, deployed Ordos Kobras, Fremen Warriors, Imperial Sardaukar, Harkonnen Flame Turrets, Atreides Machine Gun Posts, Ordos Gas Turrets :O.Atreides Snipers: Atreides Sand Bikes, Harkonnen Buzzsaws, Harkonnen Flame Tanks, Fremen Warriors, Ordos Dust Scouts, Ordos Kobras (both deployed and undeployed), Atreides Minotauruses, Harkonnen Inkvine Catapults.Atreides Kindjal Infantry (deployed): Harkonnen Inkvine Catapults, Atreides Minotauruses, Ordos Kobras (deploy when in firing range, but OUTSIDE firing range of the Kindjal Infantry), Ordos Chemical Troopers, Ordos Mortar Infantry, Atreides Snipers, Fremen Warriors, Fremen Fedaykin, Imperial Sarduakar.Atreides Sandbikes: Harkonnen Buzzsaws, Harkonnen Flame Tanks, deployed Ordos Kobras, Atreides Minotauruses, Harkonnen Assault Tanks, Atreides Ornithopters.Atreides Mongooses: Atreides Light Infantry, Harkonnen Light Infantry, deployed Atreides Kindjal Infantry on infantry rock, Imperial Sarduakar (both on and off infantry rock), Imperial Sarduakar Elite (both on and off infantry rock), Fremen Fedaykin (both on and off infantry rock), Fremen Worm riders (when Mongoose are on sand), Ordos Laser Tanks, Ordos Kobras, Atreides Minotauruses, Ordos AA Troopers, Harkonnen Troopers.Atreides APCs (without cargo): Lots of Ordos Dust Scouts with any type of scout to spot the APC, lots of Harkonnen Buzzsaws with any type of scout to spot the APC, lots of Atreides Sandbikes with any type of scout to spot the APC.Atreides APCs (with engineer/any type of infantry cargo): Same as above, only with any type of scout and Atreides Machine Gun Posts throughout your base, any type of scout and Harkonnen Flame Turrets throughout your base, Fremen Warriors and Fremen Fedaykin on guard mode, scattered throughout your base.Atreides Minotauruses: Fremen worm riders, Fremen Fedaykin, Harkonnen Assault Tanks, Harkonnen Missile Tanks, equal or greater number of properly managed Atreides Minotauruses, Ordos Laser Tanks, Ordos Deviaters, Harkonnen Inkvine Catapults, Harkonnen Devastators dropped via advanced carryall, Guild NIAB Tanks, Ix Projectors projecting: Fremen Fedaykin, Ordos Deviators, Atreides Minotaurus, Guild NIAB Tanks, Harkonnen Missile Tanks, Atreides Ornithopters, Harkonnen Gunships, Harkonnen ADPs, properly managed Tleilaxu Leeches.Atreides Repair Vehicles: Any type of infantry (except any type of scout/Ordos Saboteurs, and any type of engineer) on infantry rock, any type of armed vehicle or aircraft, any type of Advanced Carryall to pick it up and hold it above anti-aircraft capable units.Atreides Sonic Tanks: Fremen Fedaykin, Guild NIAB Tanks, Ordos AA Troopers, deployed Atreides Kindjal Infantry, Harkonnen Troopers, Ordos Laser Tanks, Imperial Sarduakar Elite (both on and off infantry rock), Ordos Mortar Infantry (both on and off infantry rock).Atreides Ornithopers: Atreides Air Drones, Harkonnen Missile Tanks, Harkonnen Troopers, Harkonnen Gun Turrets, Atreides Rocket Turrets, Ordos AA Troopers, Imperial Sarduakar Elite, Ix Projectors projecting the ground units just mentioned.Atreides Air Drones: Precision managed Atreides Air Drones (in equal, greater, or lesser numbers!!), Atreides Mongooses, Atreides Rocket Turrets, Harkonnen Missile Tanks, Harkonnen Troopers, Harkonnen Gun Turrets, Ordos AA Troopers, Ordos APC, Imperial Sarduakar Elite.Atreides Advanced Carryalls: Harkonnen Missile Tanks, Harkonnen Troopers, Atreides Air Drones, Harkonnen ADPs, Ordos AA Troopers, Ordos APCs, Harkonnen Gun Turrets, Atreides Rocket Turrets, Atreides Mongooses, Imperial Sarduakar Elite, Ordos AA Mines.Ok, someone can do Harkonnen and Ordos now. Or I'll do them when I get the time. :)If you feel that any of this information is incorrect, please correct me on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema Posted February 5, 2003 Share Posted February 5, 2003 Well I don't think that Hark troopers are very good against air drones, because it takes a while for them to aim and fire and on top of that the guidance system of the rocket isn't very good, so the drones can easily outrun those. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ken124578 Posted February 5, 2003 Share Posted February 5, 2003 Drones are unable to dodge ANY missile fired towards them except those of other airdrones (with a clever trick) and gunship missiles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema Posted February 5, 2003 Share Posted February 5, 2003 Clever trick ???And Gunship missiles are pretty bad at tracking anything... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NetWerx1 Posted February 5, 2003 Share Posted February 5, 2003 Imperial Sardaukar Elite- group of snipers OR flamethrowersImperial Sardaukar- Sard Elite, snipersTleilaxu Contaminator-ANY unit that shoots a weapon ;DTleilaxu leech-engis/repairs(if any vehicles around)1 anti-vehicleGuild NIAB Tank-ANY Fast-response anti vehicle unitGuild Maker-Medium armored veh with anti-veh shotIx Bomb- scouts and any unit that shoots weaponIx Projector Tank-any fast moving unit(that shoots)Fremen Fedaykin-fremen snipersFremen snipers-flame tank Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IxianMace Posted February 7, 2003 Share Posted February 7, 2003 Harkonnen Light Infantry: Atreides Snipers, Fremen Warriors, Atreides Minotauruses, Harkonnen Buzzsaws, Harkonnen Flame Tanks, Harkonnen Inkvine Catapults, Imperial Sarduakar, Ordos Chemical Troopers, Ordos Dust Scouts, deployed Ordos Kobras, deployed Ordos Mortar Infantry, Ordos Gas Turrets :O, Harkonnen Flame Turrets, Atreides Machine Gun Posts.Harkonnen Troopers: Atreides Infantry, Harkonnen Light Infantry, Atreides Snipers, Harkonnen Flamethrower Infantry, Ordos Chemical Troopers, deployed Ordos Mortar Infantry, Atreides Sandbikes, Harkonnen Buzzsaws, Ordos Dust Scouts, Atreides Minotauruses, Harkonnen Flame Tanks, deployed Ordos Kobras, Imperial Sarduakar, Imperial Sarduakar Elite (not ideal, but Harkonnen Troopers are very ineffective against Imperial Sarduakar Elite), Tleilaxu Contaminators :O, Harkonnen Inkvine Catapults, Fremen Warriors, Fremen Fedaykin, Ordos Gas Turrets :O.Harkonnen Flamethrower Infantry:Atreides Snipers, Fremen Warriors, Imperial Sarduakar, Harkonnen Buzzsaws, Atreides Sandbikes, Ordos Dust Scouts, Atreides Minotauruses, Harkonnen Flame Tanks, Harkonnen Inkvine Catapults, deployed Ordos Kobras, Ordos Gas Turrets :O.Harkonnen Engineers: Atreides Infantry, Harkonnen Light Infantry, Ordos Chemical Troopers, Atreides Snipers, Harkonnen Flamethrower Infantry, Fremen Warriors, Fremen Fedaykin, Atreides Sandbikes, Atreides APCs (not ideal, but Harkonnen Engineers are very ineffective against Atreides APCs, and the gun mounted on the Atreides APC deals a modest amount of damage to weak infantry, like the Harkonnen Engineer, additionally, the Atreides APC can simply overrun the Harkonnen Engineer, provided the Harkonnen Engineer is not on infantry rock/cover), Atreides Minotauruses, Harkonnen Buzzsaws, Harkonnen Flame Tanks, Harkonnen Inkvine Catapults, Ordos Dust Scouts, deployed Ordos Kobras, Imperial Sarduakar, Ixian Projector Tanks, Harkonnen ADPs, Harkonnen Flame Turrets, Atreides Machine Gun Posts, Guild Makers, Ordos Gas Turrets.Harkonnen Buzzsaws: Atreides Infantry on infantry rock and with guard mode off, Harkonnen Light Infantry on infantry rock and with guard mode off, Ordos Chemical Troopers on infantry rock and with guard mode off, Imperial Sarduakar on infantry rock and with guard mode off, Imperial Sarduakar Elite on infantry rock and with guard mode off, Atreides Kindjal Infantry deployed on infantry rock, Ordos Mortar Infantry deployed on infantry rock, Atreides Minotauruses, Harkonnen Assault Tanks, Harkonnen Flame Tanks, Harkonnen Devastators, Harkonnen ADPs, Harkonnen Gunships, Atreides Ornithopters, Ordos Laser Tanks, deployed Ordos Kobras, Atreides Machine Gun Posts.Harkonnen Assault Tanks: Atreides Infantry on infantry rock and with guard mode off, Harkonnen Light Infantry on infantry rock and with guard mode off, Atreides Kindjal Infantry deployed on infantry rock, Harkonnen Troopers on infantry rock and with guard mode off, Ordos AA Troopers on infantry rock and with guard mode off, Ordos Mortar Infantry deployed on infantry rock, Atreides Mongooses, Atreides Sonic Tanks, Harkonnen Missile Tanks, Harkonnen Assault Tanks (in equal or greater numbers), Harkonnen ADPs, Harkonnen Gunships, Imperial Sarduakar on infantry rock and with guard mode off, Imperial Sarduakar Elite on infantry rock and with guard mode off, Guild NIAB Tanks, Ordos Laser Tanks, Harkonnen Gun Turrets (in clusters), Fremen Fedaykin, Fremen Worm Riders (if you can catch the Assault Tanks unaware on the sand).Harkonnen Flame Tanks:Properly managed Imperial Sarduakar Elite (hit and run), Ordos Laser Tanks, Atreides Minotauruses, Ordos Kobras, Harkonnen Assault Tanks, Harkonnen Missile Tanks, Harkonnen Devastators, Atreides Mongooses (not ideal, but still fairly effective), Atreides Ornithopters, Harkonnen Gunships, Harkonnen ADPs, Atreides Machine Gun Posts, Harkonnen Gun Turrets, Ordos Pop-up Turrets :O, Guild NIAB Tanks.Harkonnen Missile Tanks: 4 Atreides Sandbikes per 1 Harkonnen Missile Tank (you'd be surpised how effective this is), Atreides Kindjal Infantry deployed on or off infantry rock, Ordos AA Troopers, Harkonnen Troopers, Atreides Infantry, Imperial Sarduakar Elite, Fremen Fedaykin, Guild NIAB Tanks, Ordos Mortar Infantry deployed on infantry rock, Ixian Infiltrators (if you can hit a moving target ;)).Harkonnen Inkvine Catapults: Atreides Sandbikes, Harkonnen Buzzsaws, Ordos Dust Scouts, Atreides Ornithopters, Harkonnen Gunships (with a bit of luck as well, due to slow missile speed), any type of Advanced Carryall to pick up the Harkonnen Inkvine Catapult, then take it to (and then hover) anti-aircraft capable units/structures for destruction, of the Harkonnen Inkvine Catapult, Fremen Fedaykin, Guild NIAB Tanks.Harkonnen Devastators: Deployed Atreides Kindjal Infantry, Deployed Ordos Mortar Infantry, Ordos AA Troopers, Harkonnen Troopers, Imperial Sarduakar Elite, Imperial Sarduakar, properly managed Guild NIAB Tanks, precision managed Ordos Laser Tanks, constantly moving deploying and undeploying Ordos Kobras (deployed when firing), constantly moving Atreides Minotauruses (hit and backup as much as needed), Ordos Deviators, Fremen Fedaykin, Fremen Wormriders, Tleilaxu Leeches, Harkonnen Inkvine Catapults (hit and backup), Harkonnen Missile Tanks (not ideal, but still somewhat effective).Harkonnen Gunships: Atreides Air Drones, Atreides Mongooses (not ideal but still does serious damage to (a) Harkonnen Gunship((s))), Atreides Rocket Turrets, Harkonnen Missile Tanks, Harkonnen Troopers, Harkonnen Devastators (not ideal but still somewhat effective), Ordos AA Troopers, Ordos AA Mines, Imperial Sarduakar Elite, Atreides Rocket Turrets, Harkonnen Gun Turrets, Ixian Projector Tanks projecting all the ground units just mentioned.Harkonnen Advanced Carryalls: Harkonnen Missile Tanks, Harkonnen Troopers, Atreides Air Drones, Harkonnen ADPs, Ordos AA Troopers, Ordos APCs, Harkonnen Gun Turrets, Atreides Rocket Turrets, Atreides Mongooses, Imperial Sarduakar Elite, Ordos AA Mines.Harkonnen ADPs: Atreides Air Drones, Imperial Sarduakar Elite, Ordos AA Mines, Harkonnen Missile Tanks, Atreides Mongooses, Ordos AA Troopers, Harkonnen Devastators (good for stationary defence, nothing more), Ordos APCs, Harkonnen Troopers, Atreides Rocket Turrets, Harkonnen Gun Turrets. 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slaphapy Posted February 8, 2003 Share Posted February 8, 2003 Clever trick ???the "clever trick" is just manageing your drone correctly.... all you have to do is just shoot at the drone before it shoots at you and at the same time your drone shoots u run away from the other drone....if you get your drone to run away before the other shoots then it will outrun the missle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IxianMace Posted February 8, 2003 Share Posted February 8, 2003 Ordos Chemical Troopers: Fremen Warriors, Harkonnen Flamethrower Infantry (against clusters of enemy Ordos Chemical Troopers they are effective, against single attacks from different directions, they are ineffective), Atreides Sandbikes, Harkonnen Buzzsaws, Ordos Dust Scouts, Atreides Minotauruses, Harkonnen Flame Tanks, Harkonnen Inkvine Catapults, Ordos Kobras, Ordos Gas Turrets :O, Atreides Machine Gun Posts, Ordos Flame Turrets, Imperial Sarduakar (not ideal, but still effective).Ordos AA Troopers: Atreides Infantry, Atreides Snipers, Harkonnen Light Infantry, Harkonnen Flamethrower Infantry, Ordos Chemical Troopers, deployed Ordos Mortar Infantry, Atreides Sandbikes, Harkonnen Buzzsaws, Ordos Dust Scouts, Atreides Minotauruses, Harkonnen Flame Tanks, Harkonnen Inkvine Catapults, deployed Ordos Kobras, Imperial Sarduakar, Imperial Sarduakar Elite (not ideal, but Ordos AA Troopers are very ineffective against Imperial Sarduakar Elite), Tleilaxu Contaminators :O, Fremen Warriors, Fremen Fedaykin, Ordos Gas Turrets :O.Ordos Mortar Infantry (deployed): Any type of scout to run rings around the Ordos Mortar Infantry and force them to fire on themselves, Fremen Warriors, Fremen Fedaykin, Harkonnen Flame Tanks, Ordos Kobras (deploy when in firing range, but OUTSIDE firing range of Ordos Mortar Infantry), Harkonnen Inkvine Catapults, Atreides Minotauruses, Harkonnen Buzzsaws (DO NOT use Harkonnen Buzzsaws if the Ordos Mortar Infantry are deployed on infantry rock/cover!!), properly managed Atreides Sandbikes, properly managed Ordos Dust Scouts.Ordos Saboteurs: ALL units, except for the following:Ixian Projector Tanks, Imperial Sarduakar Elite, Tleilaxu Contaminators, Ixian Infiltrators, all types of engineers, all types of Advanced Carryalls, Harkonnen Missile Tanks, Guild NIAB Tanks, Atreides Ornithopters, Harkonnen Gunships, Harkonnen Gun Turrets, Atreides Rocket Turrets, Ordos Pop-up turrets, all types of scouts, Atreides Mongooses, Ordos APCs, Ordos Deviators, Atreides Repair Vehicles, Atreides APCs.Ordos Dust Scouts: 5 Atreides Infantry for every 1 Ordos Dust Scout, 7 Harkonnen Light Infantry for every 1 Ordos Dust Scout, deployed Atreides Kindjal Infantry, deployed Ordos Mortar Infantry (good against poorly managed large clusters of Ordos Dust Scouts, but poor against properly managed small numbers of Ordos Dust Scouts), Harkonnen Assault Tanks, Atreides Sandbikes, properly managed Ordos Dust Scouts (in equal or greater numbers), Harkonnen Flame Tanks, Atreides Minotauruses, Harkonnen ADPs, Atreides Ornithopters, Harkonnen Gunships, Imperial Sarduakar Elite (you must kill at least 1 enemy Ordos Dust Scout for every Imperial Sarduakar Elite that you lose), Harkonnen Devastators, Atreides Machine Gun Posts.Ordos Laser Tanks: Imperial Sarduakar Elite, projected Imperial Sarduakar Elite, 1 Ordos Laser Tank for every one of the enemy Ordos Laser Tanks, projected Ordos Laser Tanks, deployed Atreides Kindjal Infantry, Atreides Infantry, Harkonnen Light Infantry, Harkonnen Troopers, Ordos AA Troopers, Harkonnen ADPs, Atreides Ornithopters, Imperial Sarduakar, Harkonnen Gun Turrets, Atreides Rocket Turrets, Harkonnen Missile Tanks.Ordos APCs (with or without cargo of any kind): 3 Atreides Sandbikes for every 1 Ordos APC, 2 Harkonnen Buzzsaws for every 1 Ordos APC, 2 Ordos Dust Scouts for every 1 Ordos APC, 1 Ordos Laser Tank for every 1 Ordos APC, 1 Imperial Sarduakar Elite for every 1 Ordos APC, Ordos Kobras, Atreides Mongooses, Imperial Sarduakar, Fremen Fedaykin, Harkonnen Troopers, deployed Atreides Kindjal Infantry, Ordos AA Troopers, Atreides Infantry, Harkonnen Light Infantry.Ordos Kobras (deployed): Fremen Worm Riders (if the Ordos Kobras is on the sand), Fremen Fedaykin, Imperial Sarduakar Elite (run rings around the Ordos Kobra after coming right up to it, and pausing to shoot in between runs), Ordos Deviators, Ordos Laser Tanks, Atreides Minotauruses, Atreides Sonic Tanks (air dropped next to the Ordos Kobra via Advanced Carryall), Harkonnen Devastators (air dropped next to the Ordos Kobra via Advanced Carryall), Harkonnen Missile Tanks, Guild NIAB Tanks, Tleilaxu Leeches, Harkonnen ADPs, Harkonnen Gunships, Atreides Ornithopters.Ordos Deviators: Imperial Sarduakar Elite, projections of Imperial Sarduakar Elite, Ordos Laser Tanks, projections of Ordos Laser Tanks, Fremen Fedaykin, Imperial Sarduakar, Harkonnen ADPs, Harkonnen Gunships, Harkonnen Troopers, Harkonnen Light Infantry, Atreides Infantry, deployed Atreides Kindjal Infantry, Atreides Ornithopters, Atreides Rocket Turrets, Atreides Machine Gun Posts, Ordos Pop-up Turrets :O, Harkonnen Gun Turrets, Tleilaxu Leeches, Ordos AA Troopers, deployed Ordos Mortar Infantry (somewhat effective, depending on the situation).Ordos EITS: Atreides Air Drones, Atreides Ornithopters, Harkonnen Gunships, Harkonnen Gun Turrets, Atreides Rocket Turrets, Ordos AA Troopers (somewhat effective), Harkonnen Troopers (somewhat effective), Harkonnen Missile Tanks (somewhat effective), Atreides Mongooses, Ordos APCs (somewhat effective), Harkonnen Devastators (stationary defence only), Ordos AA Mines (effective when used in pairs against single enemy Ordos EITS units), Imperial Sarduakar Elite, Ixian Projector Tanks projecting all the ground units just mentioned.Ordos AA Mines: Atreides Mongooses, precision managed Atreides Air Drones (yes you can outrange Ordos AA Mines with Atreides Air Drones!! ^-^), Atreides Rocket Turrets, Harkonnen Gun Turrets, Harkonnen Missile Tanks, Harkonnen Devastators (stationary defence only), Harkonnen Troopers, Ordos AA Troopers, Ordos APCs, Imperial Sarduakar Elite, Ixian Projector Tanks projecting all of the ground units just mentioned.Ordos Advanced Carryalls: Harkonnen Missile Tanks, Harkonnen Troopers, Atreides Air Drones, Harkonnen ADPs, Ordos AA Troopers, Ordos APCs, Harkonnen Gun Turrets, Atreides Rocket Turrets, Atreides Mongooses, Imperial Sarduakar Elite, Ordos AA Mines. 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lowzeewee Posted February 8, 2003 Share Posted February 8, 2003 scout of any house:Anything :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IxianMace Posted February 8, 2003 Share Posted February 8, 2003 Scout of any house: Not anything ::). Any type of scout, with any armed unit. ;) Otherwise, how would you see a sneaking/crawling scout that is permanently cloaked due to micromanagement? ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema Posted February 8, 2003 Share Posted February 8, 2003 This is going to be soooo useful to repel all of those scout rushes :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowzeewee Posted February 9, 2003 Share Posted February 9, 2003 oh yeah i forgotScout of any house=Anything except 'armor destroyers'Note that one to two pistol shots from hark engi,kindjal or mortar can kill it instantly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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