HarryCanyon Posted December 13, 2010 Share Posted December 13, 2010 Star Wars Saga.Star Trek movies.Serenity.Stargate.Avatar.Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind.The Dark Crystal.Dark City.The Fifth Element.Heavy Metal.Starchaser Legend of Orin.Flash Gordon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErasOmnius Posted December 13, 2010 Share Posted December 13, 2010 5th Element? Hmm? Does Milla Jovovich (Leeloo) remind me of Chani? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryCanyon Posted December 15, 2010 Author Share Posted December 15, 2010 Well yes and Paul all combined in one since it has the same premise of Dune of supreme being to save the universe. There are some similarities of Dune in 5th Element Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrFlibble Posted December 15, 2010 Share Posted December 15, 2010 the same premise of Dune of supreme being to save the universeYeah, right. Supreme being saving the universe - that's exactly what Dune is all about Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord J Posted December 17, 2010 Share Posted December 17, 2010 Basically, every scifi franchise that involves the rise of a single, male messianic figure belongs here as well.The MatrixSupermanIron Man (it involves deserts... and stuff ;) ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrFlibble Posted December 17, 2010 Share Posted December 17, 2010 Basically, every scifi franchise that involves the rise of a single, male messianic figure belongs here as well.Which makes one wonder how much sense there is in such lists. Dune is not about how a guy with superpowers saves the world - in fact, one of the main messages Frank built his book around is how bad it is when there's a guy with superpowers who says, "Hey, let's go kick some major butt - for great justice!" - and people follow.Iron Man (it involves deserts... and stuff ;) )Well, Iron Man and Batman aren't people with superpowers - they are just people with super advanced technology at their disposal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErasOmnius Posted December 17, 2010 Share Posted December 17, 2010 People like when the so-called under-dog wins. It makes people feel like they have a chance at winning.Having said that, I'm not sure how the ducal heir of a major House in a Galactic Imperium, Paul Atreides, is so everyday. I think that the fact that Paul had to marry Irulan for Landsraad purposes, illustrates the fact that he could not marry a commoner like Chani. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SandChigger Posted December 18, 2010 Share Posted December 18, 2010 So Harry tell me: has this topic played well on ANY of the forums where you've reposted it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
athanasios Posted December 21, 2010 Share Posted December 21, 2010 Provide links dude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord J Posted December 27, 2010 Share Posted December 27, 2010 Just watched Zardoz last night. Totally like Dune. Except campy and stuff. And somehow involving Sean Connery in a bathing suit. And a wedding dress. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SandChigger Posted December 28, 2010 Share Posted December 28, 2010 Just watched Zardoz last night. Totally like Dune. Except campy and stuff. And somehow involving Sean Connery in a bathing suit. And a wedding dress.Is that the one with the giant mechanical head flying around, leaving a vapor trail? Or was that something else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord J Posted December 28, 2010 Share Posted December 28, 2010 Is that the one with the giant mechanical head flying around, leaving a vapor trail? Or was that something else?I don't remember vapor trails, particularly, but yes. There's a giant head that says, "The gun is good, the penis is evil" and vomits shotguns. It's actually very much worth watching; it's just not a good movie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryCanyon Posted December 28, 2010 Author Share Posted December 28, 2010 Zardoz i haven't seen in a long time since i was a kid. How about comparing The Matrix to Dune? same thing, i mean both have outcasts in strange exotic worlds and have been fortold in prophecies to become Kwistaz Haderechs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SandChigger Posted December 29, 2010 Share Posted December 29, 2010 How about comparing The Matrix to Dune? same thing, i mean both have outcasts in strange exotic worlds and have been fortold in prophecies to become Kwistaz Haderechs.Come on, Harry, you're so close... you KNOW you want to ask it again: Neo or Paul, Harry, Neo or Paul! Go on, Harry, give in to the Dark Side and ask it. You'll feel so much better, believe me! :D(And: Kwisatz Haderach. Teach the words to your spellchecker once,And never again need fear looking the dunce.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawliet Posted December 29, 2010 Share Posted December 29, 2010 Zardoz i haven't seen in a long time since i was a kid. How about comparing The Matrix to Dune? same thing, i mean both have outcasts in strange exotic worlds and have been fortold in prophecies to become Kwistaz Haderechs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SandChigger Posted December 29, 2010 Share Posted December 29, 2010 Was there a messiah/mahdi-type prophecy in Avatar?The Na'vi had the toruk makto legend/tradition, but according to the Avatar Wikia, the toruk makto is "a Na'vi individual who successfully manages to ride a Great Leonopteryx (Na'vi: toruk)" and there had only been five such individuals in the past, but I don't remember there being anything about a prophecy.Am I just forgetting it? (As I posted in the other thread, I've just seen it once so far.)Either way, the toruk makto was hardly equivalent to a Kwisatz Haderach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryCanyon Posted December 30, 2010 Author Share Posted December 30, 2010 Preciously! Afterall Cameron adores the Dune books, Jake has became the Na'vi's own Kwistaz Haderach and might have powers in the sequel.Other Dune similarities in Matrix are The Oracle being the same as Reverend Mother Mohiam on fortelling the prophecy of the chosen one, the Agents are like the Harkonnens even Agent Smith being like Baron Vladmire, Morpheus is like Stigar and Gurney in one body and Trinity is like Chani with the human race being like the Freman against the A.I. machines. Even in the third movie Neo got blind but can still see.After all Dune inspired pop culture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErasOmnius Posted December 30, 2010 Share Posted December 30, 2010 Honestly, how was 'The 5th Element' like Dune? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnoldo Posted December 30, 2010 Share Posted December 30, 2010 Star Wars Saga.Star Trek movies.Serenity.Stargate.Avatar.Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind.The Dark Crystal.Dark City.The Fifth Element.Heavy Metal.Starchaser Legend of Orin.Flash Gordon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnoldo Posted December 30, 2010 Share Posted December 30, 2010 How about comparing The Matrix to Dune? same thing' date=' i mean both have outcasts in strange exotic worlds and have been fortold in prophecies to become Kwistaz Haderechs.[/quote'] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
athanasios Posted December 31, 2010 Share Posted December 31, 2010 Honestly, how was 'The 5th Element' like Dune?I watched it a couple days ago and have the same question. I didn't notice any similarities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SandChigger Posted December 31, 2010 Share Posted December 31, 2010 Preciously!Oh, how sweet of you to say so! If only you'd meant that, though, and not "precisely". Afterall Cameron adores the Dune books, Jake has became the Na'vi's own Kwistaz Haderach and might have powers in the sequel.I'm sorry, but that's just... stupid. There's been no mention by Cameron that I've seen of any such "powers". Do you have a link for that? (Or is this more nonsense like your "four-part project" posts?) One of the things I personally liked about Avatar was that everything had a materialistic explanation. (Even the Eywa "deity" was a form of consciousness created by the interconnections of the Pandoran biosphere, which made the planet like a giant brain. There was no magic or superpowers in Avatar. The Na'vi had no "souls": their consciousnesses were simply transferred from their bodies to the greater "brain" of the biosphere.) "KWISATZ Haderach" has a specific meaning in the context of Dune; it doesn't translate into anything in the Avatar story or universe. Jake Sully wasn't the result of generations of breeding ... there is no equivalent of the Bene Gesserit. (I suppose you could say that his Na'vi body is the result of an intentional genetic experiment, but again, that's reaching.) It just doesn't hold up. Other Dune similarities in Matrix are The Oracle being the same as Reverend Mother Mohiam on fortelling the prophecy of the chosen one, the Agents are like the Harkonnens even Agent Smith being like Baron Vladmire, Morpheus is like Stigar and Gurney in one body and Trinity is like Chani with the human race being like the Freman against the A.I. machines. Even in the third movie Neo got blind but can still see.Whatever.After all Dune inspired pop culture.NO?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryCanyon Posted January 1, 2011 Author Share Posted January 1, 2011 How 5th Element is similar to Dune is that both have a supreme being made every century, Leeloo is a female Kwistaz Haderach is her mission to save the galaxy, the stones are very much like the spice, the Mandochewans are like the Spacing Guild, both have desert mythology with aliens, and even Zorg is similar to the Baron.Even the IMDB recommendations put on the 2 Dune movies on their suggestions Fifth Element. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SandChigger Posted January 1, 2011 Share Posted January 1, 2011 a female Kwistaz HaderachOK, not only can you not spell it, you obviously also don't understand the meaning of Kwisatz Haderach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryCanyon Posted January 1, 2011 Author Share Posted January 1, 2011 I know what Kwisatz Haderach means for it's shortening of the way and powerful being. Afterall Leeloo was also genetically engineered to become powerful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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