Dunenewt Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 Ah yes.. that is a problem right now :).Of course anything is possible. So i could create a 'mountain' (thats how i call it anyway :)) bordering with sand immidiately. Would perhaps also require a 'border with spice' variant. Perhaps i can think of something better so you can just apply it on any kind of 'terrain' beneath it.So the short answer is : no it is not possible yetThe longer answer is above ;)Following on from this, I have some other ideas.How about rock that is impenetrable by any unit, sort of like a natural wall. This could also be a work around in creating a sort of cliff effect.Also, how about destructible terrain? There could be a type of rock tileset that could be destroyed by units such as Siege Tanks or Missile Tanks, and obviously not by Trikes or other lower calibre weapons. Moving away from tilesets, is a Corrino side a possibility? If so, I would like to try to help out on the artwork etc.Perhaps the arrow buttons to change the purchase selections could be a bit larger, at least the clickable area could be stretched vertically? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stefanhendriks Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 How about rock that is impenetrable by any unit, sort of like a natural wall. This could also be a work around in creating a sort of cliff effect.Sounds easy to do. perhaps a different kind of color of mountain?Also, how about destructible terrain? There could be a type of rock tileset that could be destroyed by units such as Siege Tanks or Missile Tanks, and obviously not by Trikes or other lower calibre weapons.Also this is easy to do. Something like a 'mountain with cracks'? Although I'd wonder what the purpose would be. The only thing i can imagine right now is that the player is challenged to investigate those cracks in order to get something (credits, spice, etc).is a Corrino side a possibility?I am not sure, you could try Skirmish and see if it is selectable. I thought it was only selectable for AI, not for the player.The arrow buttons would be easy to do. However, do know that you can also 'scroll' with your scrollwheel of the mouse. (without even being near the sidebar with your cursor). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunenewt Posted November 10, 2009 Author Share Posted November 10, 2009 Yes, a different colour of mountain would indicate this fine.About the destructible terrain, it would just perhaps give someone more options around the map as they advanced up the tech tree, although it could also be implemented in different ways, such as spice deposits like you suggested.Ah I didn't realise even the AI could play as Corrino. Would it be possible to for me to have a look at the building textures for example? I was wondering if the different sides graphics could be slightly altered to differentiate the sides more? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrFlibble Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 Also, how about destructible terrain? There could be a type of rock tileset that could be destroyed by units such as Siege Tanks or Missile Tanks, and obviously not by Trikes or other lower calibre weapons.I remember that someone in the Dune 2: The Golden Path forums suggested a feature of "shifting sands" that would (un)cover rock areas as a result of sandstorms (post link). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rippsblack Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 I would very much like to see some completly impossible terrain, (that would be indestructable)Destructable terrain would be great, but I would enjoy having both.From a map creationists point of view, indestructable terrain allows you to force players to go a certain way and therefore create bottle necks and such.The Destructability of infantry rock would be nice, as long as its done in such a way that the rock cannot be simply removed all together.Mountain Rock on sand would be very nice to have as well, but would that not require new tiles and hence a new map rendering system (additional characters in the map.ini system)?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunenewt Posted November 10, 2009 Author Share Posted November 10, 2009 Yes, those ideas came about from me creating maps.Also, what about tech buildings that you can capture on the map? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rippsblack Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 yes i read that ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunenewt Posted November 10, 2009 Author Share Posted November 10, 2009 Maybe some neutral defence structures, and a neutral observation post which reveals the shroud around it. Also, some kind of neutral hospital etc, like in the C&C games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rippsblack Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 as great as those ideas areI am against changing Dune2 beyond its original scope too muchlike new units etc...I think would probably spoil my experienceI would however like to see the emperors house made playable in skirmishmaybe even create a freman house at a pushThe things i would most like to see would be the expansion of the map tilesets to allow mountains on sand, impassible terrain & improvements to the command & control systemmaybe some features similer to Total Annihilation & Supreme commander with an advanced way point system of some kind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunenewt Posted November 10, 2009 Author Share Posted November 10, 2009 Of course I'm sure it would be possible to have the game set at various degrees of originality, but I agree with you about the things I'd most want to see, I'd even help out with any of the unit or building artwork. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rippsblack Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 I would like to see some features such as formation move from C&C as well incorperated into the Dun2tm code.how good are you at graphic design?do you have anything i could check out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunenewt Posted November 10, 2009 Author Share Posted November 10, 2009 Not good, but I don't think the Dune II style graphics would require too much work. I retextured quite a few Emperor units back in the day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rippsblack Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 emperor was probably the only Dune game i did not like( i still played it to the end of the campaigns )just thought they ruined the houses by making strange units, like those spinny disc things that harks had Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunenewt Posted November 10, 2009 Author Share Posted November 10, 2009 The Buzzsaw? I think that visually it would be quite nice to have some more variation between the appearances of the units, sort of like in Dune 2000. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rippsblack Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 Dune 2000 was(is) very goodit got allot of stickk for being C&C in a different skinand even though i can forgive westwood for not even drawing new graphics for their 'minigunner infantry' and their 'rocket trooper infantry' from C&Cand even though they pretty much kept the costs and balance the same as C&Cit was very nice to see...3 versions of the combat tank3 versions of the windtrapand so on..I think the best way to create the sides a unique look and feel would be to do something similereven its just something as simple as having 3 shades of concrete for each side Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunenewt Posted November 10, 2009 Author Share Posted November 10, 2009 It depends on what direction Stefan wants to take with the game I suppose. After he's finished all the Dune II aspects of it, I would like to see lots of original features, perhaps making it into the game Dune 2000 could have been. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rippsblack Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 Dune 2000 was great as it was...there was nothing really wrong with the C&C gameplayapart from the fact it was outdatedtheir rock paper scisors approach was old when it was newthis is why i prefer chris taylors strategy games as each shot is simulated.and space was actualy calculated in 3D even in total annihilationC&C Generals and Emporer: BFD were 3d yes... but only in the sense of 3d graphicsthe gameplay was still very much 2d Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunenewt Posted November 10, 2009 Author Share Posted November 10, 2009 So you'd like the introduction of height into the game, with cliffs etc which affect the game? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rippsblack Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 I played Total Annihilation the same time as i had bought red alert 1and i loved how cliffs got in the way of bullets AND line of sight in Total Annihilation, where as in red alert and (to the best of my knowledge all C&C branded games since) there is no advantage to having the high groundI also liked the way in Total Annihilation there were no 'tiles'and units could ocupy any space on the map, even cliff wallsas long as the unit was capable of doing so..(for example, units had a max slope factor) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrFlibble Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 and i loved how cliffs got in the way of bullets AND line of sight in Total Annihilation, where as in red alert and (to the best of my knowledge all C&C branded games since) there is no advantage to having the high groundIIRC, in Tiberian Sun and Red Alert 2 units on high ground gain increase in sight and attack range but this is not very noticeable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rippsblack Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 as much as I love Tottal Annihilation and its way of thinkingi recognise that incorporating that system of thought into a DuneII game is almost impossible without a complete re-write of the engineBut when it comes to height and cliffs like in C&C & RA, this would be doable right?I mean yes.. it would require some graphics and or tile sets to be made up(or stolen from dune200) (actualy thats not a bad idea (Dune II units running on Dune2000 Tilesets) it might look strange i addmit)lolsorry for many brackets, just me thinking to myself out loud :PI would only worry about getting more use out of the existing mountain tiles, maybe make them placeable anyway as per stefans thoughts...Completly impassible terrain would be great, a darker colour mountain rock could be used for thisif i think back, and remember correctly, did the amiga version of dune II and the PC version of Dune II have different colours of rock? maybe this could help us avoid drawing new tiles completly?can anyone confirm this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stefanhendriks Posted November 12, 2009 Share Posted November 12, 2009 I don't know about the amiga version.However, running dune 2 with d2k tileset (in a somewhat simplified way) with a bit more polished units it would actually look ok i think. The gui needs some changes as well then though.Atm my top priority is to get the code working, finish up missing features. After that it is interesting to see what direction to take. Ie, make that d2k/dune2 mix graphics wise? or some other stuff? Who knows. Everything is possible :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rippsblack Posted November 12, 2009 Share Posted November 12, 2009 yes you are rightfor now, we need you to finish dune 2 clone, then you can bend and distort it beyond the original scope of dune2a smaller request thenin the next demo could we have more commprehensive keyboard short cuts?eg...Select All TanksSelect All InfantryRecall All HarvestersI cant imagine these things being hard to impliment, and i imagine most people would aggree they would be rather usefull to have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stefanhendriks Posted November 13, 2009 Share Posted November 13, 2009 Such keyboard short-cuts are easy to implement :)What keys would you suggest for those functions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rene Posted November 13, 2009 Share Posted November 13, 2009 Since you use the Ctrl key for creating groups, it might be a good idea to map these shortcuts to Ctrl-T, Ctrl-I and Ctrl-H. In this way you can create a scheme where group actions are done using the crtl key. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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