3ngel Posted June 13, 2006 Share Posted June 13, 2006 Regarding BG mentats, i remember that for some reason, there was a kind of silent prohibition to became a mentat among the BG, 'cause i remember that when the two BG went to LetoII in order to try to take out him with spice essence, LetoII was thinking about one of them to be a "secret" mentat. I don't remember exactly the situation, but i remember Leto impression too gave me the idea of "something that would have not to be". Pheraps i'm wrong pheraps not :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purge Posted June 13, 2006 Share Posted June 13, 2006 Yeah, but I don't think that was an issue of BG not being allowed to be mentats, it was mentats as a whole of any kind that were illegal or whatever. I believe Leto II crushed the mentat school at some point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante Posted June 13, 2006 Share Posted June 13, 2006 Yes, Leto prohibited mentats. Also, now that I'm rereading Heretics, I can say that during that era, all of the Bene Gesserit sisters that worked in Archives were mentats. Led by Bellonda. Female mentats are not a rarity, I think, though the claim that they were less efficient than males is ringing a bell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrFlibble Posted June 21, 2006 Share Posted June 21, 2006 Here's the quote I was talking about:As he accumulated observations of Bellonda, he came to appreciate a viewpoint of those great Mentat Masters who have taught him. "Reverend Mothers do not make the best Mentats."No Bene Gesserit appeared capable of completely removing herself from that binding absolute she achieved in the Spice Agony: loyalty to the Sisterhood.His teachers had warned against absolutes. They created a serious flaw in a Mentat. (p. 73)I think it will clarify that bit about Mentats, women and BG's. No restrictions to female Mentats thus, and no "sexism" in the overall Mentat performance evaluation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord vernius of ix Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 ???what is a chair dog? i was wondering cause i just started reading heritics, and the thought of a dog sitting still long enough to sit on, confuses the hell outta me lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piterdevries Posted July 14, 2006 Share Posted July 14, 2006 why were the atreides moved to arrakis? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3ngel Posted July 14, 2006 Share Posted July 14, 2006 @lord vernius of ixA "chair dog" is a kind of "living chair" that accomodates itself on the forms of the "sitter". Is a Tleilaxu product, obtained through genetic manipulation of... well something :)@GriMFandagO'Cause the emperor Shaddam IV "forced" them to do so, proposing them to replace the Arkonnen on the planet. The reason at the base of this fact is part of an hidden emperor's plot to get rid of Atreides. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord vernius of ix Posted July 21, 2006 Share Posted July 21, 2006 man sitting inside of a living thing just sounds wierd... good way to assasinate someone though(rabid dog chair) lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMA_1 Posted July 23, 2006 Author Share Posted July 23, 2006 yeah, the tleilaxu are a strange people! So genetically twisted that they would probably be put into their own sub-racial class. I forgot all about chairdogs. I always had a funny image in my mind picturing them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egeides Posted July 28, 2006 Share Posted July 28, 2006 I forgot all about chairdogs. I always had a funny image in my mind picturing them.That's good: I never got an image. I gave up when seeing we just didn't have information about it.It's a chair. From a dog. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord vernius of ix Posted July 29, 2006 Share Posted July 29, 2006 what the heck does a futar look like? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante Posted July 29, 2006 Share Posted July 29, 2006 It's never clearly explained, I don't think. Which I think is a good thing. They were humanoid, however, and resembled humans enough to be mistaken for one if not examined too carefully. There is reference I think to being tall (or possibly 'long'), gangly creatures, but that may be me filling in what I pictured them to look like. They were, essentially, a human/feline crossbreed. Somehow.I imagined long, thin men (the idea of female futars never really took hold) with sharply pointed ears that are a bit too high up the sides of the head, and reddish hair. This would also be present as a thin fur - thin enough to see the skin beneath - that held patterns similar to a leopard. Long, pointed teeth and a lengthened jaw. I liked the futars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egeides Posted July 29, 2006 Share Posted July 29, 2006 You like all kinds of strange things Dante. I didn't remember reading anything about futars' looks except humanoid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mihail Posted July 29, 2006 Share Posted July 29, 2006 What I want to know is what futars are. Some Tleilaxu abomination? And in which book(s) were they mentioned? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chatfsh Posted July 29, 2006 Share Posted July 29, 2006 I believe the Futars were introduced in Chapterhouse. They were a breeding product of the Tleilaxu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante Posted August 5, 2006 Share Posted August 5, 2006 A rather good summation. More of the same here (oh, there's a spoiler warning but I imagine that most of us have read Chapterhouse..). Ah, futars. One of the reasons that I like Chapterhouse so much. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psikotrip Posted October 5, 2006 Share Posted October 5, 2006 Hi everyone, I'm new to the board and must saythat this place is very cool!One of the thing that puzzles me in Chapter HouseDune is the weapon that the Honored Matre have and that they want to power during the whole book. They use it at the end butI did not really understandwhat it did or what it was...Also, in the last chapter with Marty and his wife, what is the web they use to communicate with Duncan?Thanks in advance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrFlibble Posted October 6, 2006 Share Posted October 6, 2006 One of the thing that puzzles me in Chapter HouseDune is the weapon that the Honored Matre have and that they want to power during the whole book. They use it at the end butI did not really understandwhat it did or what it was...This Weapon is described as some kind of bio-weapon that brings "bloodless death" to all organic life in a limited radius. Probably some kind of a "Death Ray".Also, in the last chapter with Marty and his wife, what is the web they use to communicate with Duncan?This is one of the puzzles Frank left us to solve. A possible interpretation is that these Face Dancers have accumulated such vast knowledge by absorbing other peoples' personae, they just got God-like powers that include supernatural abilities to manipulate objects like a no-ship from huge distances. Another solution is that the web Duncan visualises is metaphorical - the web of patterns humans follow that ultimately trap them. Escaping into the unknown, the refugees on the no-ship break all possible patterns and thus ensure the unlimited diversity of human species continues for the sake of survival. Also, some regard this ending as "breaking the fourth wall", viewing Daniel and Marty as Herbert and his wife. In this case, the characters are set free of the author's will. It may very well be that all of these interpretations coincide in a way.As it seems, you will not find any of these views in the upcoming sequels by The Successors though :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord vernius of ix Posted October 7, 2006 Share Posted October 7, 2006 damn homey thats some deep shiznit yall shure ya aint smokin no chronic?lol JK im not gangster im metal headdude thats pretty crazy you must be extremely good at interpretations Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dracis Posted October 20, 2006 Share Posted October 20, 2006 I know this is in one of the prequel books, or I thought it was, but when was Salusa Secundus nuked, or turned into a waste land? Also, does anyone know when the Sardukar started to be trained on Salusa Secundus?Thanks :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpiceGuid Posted October 21, 2006 Share Posted October 21, 2006 This Weapon is described as some kind of bio-weapon that brings "bloodless death""Bloodless death" is correct, otherwise i have imagined the Weapon as killing the mind rather than killing the body, but certainly any killer couple does the job as the Weapon & the Charge, just i have imagined the Weapon is special by ensuring the end (killing) rather than the effect (the wounds), the Weapon would be effective yet effectless.There are some things i can imagine without specifics, but sometimes i can't.What are H wolfs ? Well i can't say, i have a sense that H stands for Harkonnen, from that i guess Duncan invented the name, meaning he don't like them (may be he feels like a prisoner). Apart that there is not much in my imagination that would make H wolfs different from ordinary dog guardians. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piterdevries Posted October 28, 2006 Share Posted October 28, 2006 who/what is: the robot standing in Machine Crusade? (the one beside the huge robot firing some sort of laser) the guys in the cover of Hunters of Dune? (the one wid a navigator) the huge object in Chapterhouse Dune? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khan Posted October 28, 2006 Share Posted October 28, 2006 Remember not all the covers are the same, my cover for chapter house has a tleilaxu and an honoured matre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMA_1 Posted October 30, 2006 Author Share Posted October 30, 2006 Also, some regard this ending as "breaking the fourth wall", viewing Daniel and Marty as Herbert and his wife. In this case, the characters are set free of the author's will. It may very well be that all of these interpretations coincide in a way.totally. In fact this is why I am of the mind to believe that there is no need for a seventh novel(s). I follow this line of thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piterdevries Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 im talking about the books published by TOR Science Fiction (for the machine crusade) and ACE Science Fiction (chapterhouse) i dont know who publishd hunters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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