Selig Posted September 11, 2004 Share Posted September 11, 2004 It says there were originally 20 Titans who overthrew the Old Empire. I don't recall it ever mentioning all of their names though, and I really need to know their names. I skimmed through the books today to see which names were mentioned, and I only came up with 7. Could someone please help me find the other 13 names? I know no Herbert would decide there were 20, and then not give them all a name and history no matter if they are included in the book. Although, they may be in the book. I'm not that great of a skimmer. Please help.AgamemnonAjaxBarbarossaDanteHecateJunoXerxes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HasimirFenring Posted September 11, 2004 Share Posted September 11, 2004 I can't ever remember the name of their original leader... The one that originally recruited Agamemnon and Juno... I don't think that all 20 names ever were given. You are correct that Frank Herbert would never not give all 20 names, but we are dealing with Brian Herbert... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante Posted September 11, 2004 Share Posted September 11, 2004 Lets see... from what I remember, and I did once try to compile the list myself, I can add two to that;Alexander,Tamerlane. There are others, but not all of their names have been mentioned, I don't think. Were I so inlcined I would go and look them up, and chances are I will anyway, but not right now.Edit: The leader's name was Tlaloc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selig Posted September 12, 2004 Author Share Posted September 12, 2004 Yes, I remember Tlaloc, but was he considered one of the Titans? I thought he was a Cogitor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante Posted September 12, 2004 Share Posted September 12, 2004 He was the 'originator,' you might say. He was the visionary who recruited the other titans and led them in their takeover. He died before the others turned themselves into cymeks, but was still one of the titans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NHJ BV Posted September 13, 2004 Share Posted September 13, 2004 They are all listed in the back of The Butlerian Jihad, although I don't have it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Posted September 13, 2004 Share Posted September 13, 2004 Thanks, I have Butlerian Jihad handy!Agamemnon (Skouros, Andrew)AlexanderAjaxBarbarossa (Jayther, Vilhelm)DanteHecateJuno (Parhi, Julianna)TamerlaneTlalocXerxesOddly that is all I found in the Glossary of the Butlerian Jihad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selig Posted September 13, 2004 Author Share Posted September 13, 2004 Hmm, I fear those are the only ones he bothered to give names to. Sigh, I think that only way to the get rest of the names would be to mail Brian Herbert or Kevin J. Anderson, but I lack an address to either of them. Does anyone know a fan mail address or something? Also, for those of you who like mythological facts as well as Dune...her are some facts about the Titans of myth. Enjoy, and thanks for helping me with this. Again, a fan mail address would be great if someone has it.The Titans of Greek mythology were the twelve children of Gaia and Uranus:CoeusCriusCronusHyperionIapetusMnemosyneOceanusPhoebeRheaTheiaThemisThetys.The Titans Cronus and Rhea were the parents of Zeus and the otherOlympian gods and goddesses.Besides the Olympian gods and goddesses, the Titans produces otheroffspring, either themselves or through mating with other creatures.The major second generation Titans were:AsteriaAstraea (Dike)AstraeusAtlasEos (Dawn)Eosphorus (or Hesperus)EpimetheusHeliusLetoMenoetiusPallasPersesPrometheusSeleneTitan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante Posted September 13, 2004 Share Posted September 13, 2004 There were other sources. Xerxes, as far as I remember, was an ancient Greek general, or King, or something. Hecate is generally thought of as a witch of some kind, while Juno was a goddess in either Greek or Roman mythology. My knowledge of this used to be encyclopaedic, but I'm afraid that was a long time ago...I think there are other names mentioned in the second book. Er... Yeah, that one that comes after the Butlerian Jihad. That one. But it doesn't have an index. Machine Crusade, that's the one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selig Posted September 14, 2004 Author Share Posted September 14, 2004 Hmm, well I've read all of the Dune books already. I might just sit down and read them in order of the timeline again instead of backwards the way they came out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Posted September 14, 2004 Share Posted September 14, 2004 You mean read the prequels before reading originals?I guess you might as well get the prequels over with at first. :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NHJ BV Posted September 14, 2004 Share Posted September 14, 2004 I'm sure I've seen a complete list of all Titans in one of the books... :O Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante Posted September 14, 2004 Share Posted September 14, 2004 Find it! ...Please? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMA_1 Posted September 14, 2004 Share Posted September 14, 2004 yeah it doesnt follow the names of titans. I think they are called titans for reasons that are more simple than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante Posted September 14, 2004 Share Posted September 14, 2004 Such as being big and powerful and there before gods, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caid Ivik Posted September 15, 2004 Share Posted September 15, 2004 I think discussion about lack of imagination in Brian's books is a cry over spilled milk ;) Also, wasn't Cronos father of cyclopes and 100-handed ones? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema Posted September 15, 2004 Share Posted September 15, 2004 There's absolutely no connection between the mythological titans and the names, so I guess you're right. From the top of my head:Agamemnon: king of Mycene who lead the Greek army against TroyAlexander: macedonian king and famous Greek generalAjax: Greek hero during the Trojan warBarbarossa: one of the Holy Roman emperorsDante: Italian poetHecate: dunnoJuno (Parhi, Julianna): Roman godess, forgot of whatTamerlane: a member of this forum ;)Tlaloc: dunnoXerxes: dunno Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante Posted September 15, 2004 Share Posted September 15, 2004 Tamerlane was ruler of China, and claimed to be grandson (I think) of Ghengis Khan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caid Ivik Posted September 15, 2004 Share Posted September 15, 2004 Xerxes was a greek name of few persian kings, Tamerlane is latinized version of Timur Lenk, a tatarian leader who took most of the mongol hordes around the end of 14th century. He was somewhere from central asia, so most Mongols took him as usurper. Hekate was one greek lesser goddess, I think she had healing as her resort or something like that. Juno was roman equivalent of Hera. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NHJ BV Posted September 15, 2004 Share Posted September 15, 2004 That's correct. Hera/Juno was, among other things (they could multitask) the goddess/protector of marriage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selig Posted September 15, 2004 Author Share Posted September 15, 2004 And remember...at least for Andrew and Julianna...Agamemnon and Juno were basically just their names they used online for games and such before they decided to overthrow the Old Empire and keep those names. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NHJ BV Posted September 16, 2004 Share Posted September 16, 2004 Find it! ...Please? Well as I said I don't have the books, but I realy thought I've seen a list in one of them when I read them... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radiant Silvergun Posted September 16, 2004 Share Posted September 16, 2004 There's absolutely no connection between the mythological titans and the names, so I guess you're right. From the top of my head:Tlaloc: dunnoDidnt agamemnon say that Tlaloc was named after an acient god of rain? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selig Posted September 16, 2004 Author Share Posted September 16, 2004 AGAMEMNON mUsage: Greek MythologyPronounced: ag-a-MEM-nahnPossibly meaning "very steadfast" in Greek. In Greek mythology he was the brother of Menelaus and he led the Greek expedition to Troy to recover his brother's wife Helen. After the Trojan War Agamemnon was killed by his wife Clytemnestra.-----ALEXANDER mUsage: English, German, DutchPronounced: al-eg-ZAN-durFrom the Greek name Alexandros, which meant "defending men" from Greek alexein "to defend, help" and aner "man" (genitive andros). Alexander the Great, King of Macedon, is the most famous bearer of this name. In the 4th century BC he built a huge empire out of Greece, Egypt, Persia, and parts of India. This was also the name of emperors of Russia, kings of Scotland and Yugoslavia, and eight popes. Also, Sir Alexander MacKenzie was an explorer of the north and west of Canada in the 18th century.-----AJAX mUsage: Greek Mythology (Latinized)Pronounced: AY-jaksFrom the Greek name Aias, perhaps deriving from Greek aiastes "mourner". In Greek mythology this was the name of one of the heroes who fought for the Greeks in the Trojan War. When the armor of the slain hero Achilles was not given to him he became mad with jealousy and killed himself.-----BARBAROSSAI can't find anything on his name.-----DANTE mUsage: ItalianPronounced: DAHN-tayFrom the Italian name Durante, which was related to the Latin word durantem meaning "enduring". The most notable bearer of this name was Dante Alighieri, the medieval Italian poet who wrote 'The Divine Comedy'.-----HECATE fUsage: Greek Mythology (Latinized)Pronounced: HEK-a-teePossibly derived from Greek hekas meaning "far off". In Greek mythology Hecate was a goddess associated with witchcraft, tombs, demons and the underworld. -----JUNO fUsage: Roman MythologyPronounced: JOO-noMeaning unknown. In Roman mythology Juno was the wife of Jupiter and the queen of the heavens. She was the protectress of marriage and women, and was also the goddess of finance.-----TAMERLANE mUsage: HistoryWesternized form of Timur i Leng (see TIMUR). TIMUR mUsage: RussianDerived from a Turkish word meaning "iron". Timur, also known as Tamerlane (from Persian Timur i Leng "Timur the lame"), was a 14th-century Turkic leader who conquered large areas of western Asia. -----TLALOC mUsage: New World MythologyMeans "of the earth" in Nahuatl. He was the Aztec god of rain and fertility, the husband of Chalchiuhticue. -----XERXES mUsage: EnglishPronounced: ZURK-seezGreek form of the Persian name Xshay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMA_1 Posted September 16, 2004 Share Posted September 16, 2004 I like it that when whenever anybody has a chance to brag about any historical/scientific/philisophical tidbit on dune2k, they grab it and genrally bug anybody who is incorrect in their information. lol like if I mention an abscure person or historical fact, I would definitely get a longwinded response to that, as well as any info that might appeal for more discussion towards it.lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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