Terrorism

[JOEBIALEK]

Terrorism is defined as the use of violence, torture, or physical intimidation by a group or organization as a means of forcing others to satisfy its demands.  The war on terrorism between the United States and the terrorists is a conflict never experienced before in American history.  Some would argue that the guerrilla tactic used by both sides in the Vietnam war is the same kind of tactic employed by the United States and the terrorists.  The difference, however, is that the military tactic employed by the terrorists is a corrupt evolution from guerrilla to terror (from non-conventional to non-ethical).  However the U.S. is not willing to take the war on terrorism to the appropriate level.  In the movie "Untouchables", Jim Malone advises Elliot Ness that "when dealing with the Mafia, if they send one of your's to the hospital, you send one of their's to the morgue" and then asks "what are you prepared to do?"  Perhaps a more appropriate question should be what would Machiavelli do?

    The U.S. military needs to withdraw all conventional forces immediately from Iraq.  The whole premise for going to war with that country was to disarm it of its' weapons of mass destruction (which the U.S. sold them).  I supported the war effort because I believed the Bush Administration was telling the truth.  Unfortuneatly, it appears the American people were deceived into fighting a war for oil and almost 750 crack U.S. troops have been killed helping to promote greed rather than defend the homeland.  Once the military withdraws, it can regroup and reformulate better combat tactics to be used in the war on terrorism.

    Accordingly, the U.S. needs to begin training anti-terrorist cells (with Arabic code names that translate into al-gabang, al-gaboom etc).  These cells will be sent into countries like Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Iran, Syria, Libya for the express purpose of covert operations to find, kill and terrorize all pro-terrorist cells.  As for prisoners, they should be drugged with sodium pentathol until they provide information and then be executed.  At the end of the day when the terrorist comes home to find his family and house blown to smithereens, he may begin to re-consider the consequences of his actions.  Unfortuneatly, innocent family members of these terrorists will have to face the same fate many U.S. citizens did on September 11, 2001.  The question that remains before the American people however is what are YOU prepared to do?

[SurlyPIG]

Oh no, not this guy again! :O

As if there aren't already enough automated messaging systems.

[Dante]

Just what I was thinking...

Does this apply to those of us who aren't American?

[SurlyPIG]

You don't really expect him to answer, do you? ;D

[Dante]

It was kind of directed at everyone...

[zamboe]

What is wrong with the poster?

[emprworm]

rofl nice call Ace.

Do a search on google for the phrase "Terrorism is defined as the use of violence, torture, or physical intimidation by a group or organization as a means of forcing others to satisfy its demands."  and you get a bunch of hits from various forums all over the internet by JOEBIALEK.

obviously he is on some kind of anti-bush crusade to spam the internet.  probably a Kerry volunteer.  lol

[Edric O]

You do of course realize that all his other topics (and even this one, come to think of it) supported conservative views, right?

[Dunenewt]

http://freeconservatives.com/ubbthreads/showprofile.php?User=5207

Empr is right though.  do a google search on his name

[Edric O]

Yes, he's right about JOEBIALEK being a troll on dozens of forums, but he's wrong about Joe's political views. Probably because Empr wasn't here when Joe posted most of his other topics.

And by the way... "Status: Banned troll"... that gives me a few ideas. ;)

[Dunenewt]

He's also on feminist websites as well...scary.

[danielsh]

Anyone who asks, "What would Machiavelli do?" is scary no matter what Web sites he's on.

[TMA_1]

lol... :)

usually I dont agree with you on much dan, but that was very funny.

and quite true too. hehe

[desert_storm]

wouldn't a war on terrorism just make more terrorists?  no matter how you go about it.  IT is like trying to kill everyone who is mad.  You kill someone because they are mad, then someone else gets mad becouse his friend was killd so you kill him and then someone else gets mad!  It NEVER ends!

[danielsh]

I completely agree with you, Desert. We've (meaning the entire Western world) created terrorists through abusive, callous, self-interested foreign policy, and now we're going to get rid of them with more of the same? Bush doesn't seem to realize that terrorism ought to be stopped at its roots: We should help impoverished nations rebuild, we should offer aid, we should focus on human rights, we should stop warring for vengeance (Afghanistan) or oil/empire/profits (Iraq).

So much of this requires a very simple shift in our world-view. We---the United States, the global community, the Western world, the human race---must recognize that every person shares with us a common humanity. There is no "them" outside the rhetoric of warmongers. There is only an "us."

[nemafakei]

Case in point: the Basque country. The richer it became, the better the quality of life there, the less violent the streets were and the less support the terrorists have. Franco's methods only created a situation of resentment - and support for violent means. Even seven years ago, the capital, Vitoria had a permanently tense atmosphere. When I've visited since, it's been far more relaxed, with new developments encouraging people to be overtly confident in their situation, and making irrelevant the appeals of Batasuna and ETA.

(Mind you, banning Batasuna wasn't a particularly good idea...)

[desert_storm]

hey, someone DOES agree with me!!!

Dan, I couldn't have said it beter!

[lowzeewee]

I think this guy is doing political studies in college or university and wants us to give views for him to complete his work...

[Digital Guerrilla]

What is wrong with Machiavelli his political philosophy is pretty much a guide line for our modern politics.

[danielsh]

What is wrong with Machiavelli his political philosophy is pretty much a guide line for our modern politics.

...Which is what's wrong with Machiavelli ;-). (Or with our modern politics, depending on how you look at it.) He created the idea of realpolitik---the prince should do whatever is necessary, no mater how immoral and twisted, to ensure his security. He espoused the idea that violent atrocities may be necessary to secure state power; that counsel should be sought only in the most dire of circumstances; that war may often be necessary. Machiavelli proposed a political system in an ethical vacuum, free of the concerns that would burden an individual.

[me=Dan]shudders.[/me]

[Digital Guerrilla]

Ok so what does that say about the influence of Machiavelli and how modern politics have accepted his political philosophy? What seperates Machiavelli from the rest of the "dead guys" that have written books and that have now become the standard?

[Dante]

He was right.

[VigilVirus]

At the end of the day when the terrorist comes home to find his family and house blown to smithereens, he may begin to re-consider the consequences of his actions.

[Dante]

Never a truer word said...

[Wolf]

Terrorism must be defeated on two fronts. On the one hand, regions that are recruitment zones for terrorists must be aided in humanitarian and economic terms, and they must not be under oppressive governments or shackled to poverty. Once they face freedom from fear, starvation, disease, and a lack of education, they will not risk their lives in terrorist actions.

At the same time, those who have already become terrorists will not reform. These individuals must be apprehended, imprisoned, tried, and be dealt with as law demands. If some of them resist apprehension, use of lethal force may be necessary.